Suddenly There Aren't Enough Babies. The Whole World Is Alarmed
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#3Besides feeding the economy (and by that, I mean buying consumerist stuff from large corps) and providing the army with cannon fodder, I still haven’t haven’t heard a lot of good arguments for having these babies.
Humanity would shrink (I think this is calculated to start after 2050 or so), but besides those two reasons, does that matter? Where is the foundation of the argument that we must have population growth to sustain? Or where is the research that shows if we halve the population, everything will be terrible?
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#4Besides feeding the economy (and by that, I mean buying consumerist stuff from large corps) and providing the army with cannon fodder, I still haven’t haven’t heard a lot of good arguments for having these babies. Humanity would shrink (I think this is calculated to start after 2050 or so), but besides those two reasons, does that matter? Where is the foundation of the argument that we must have population growth to…
That's not the 1st time I see this thinking fallacy.
please talk to your grandparents about the topic and report back to us.
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#5Besides feeding the economy (and by that, I mean buying consumerist stuff from large corps) and providing the army with cannon fodder, I still haven’t haven’t heard a lot of good arguments for having these babies. Humanity would shrink (I think this is calculated to start after 2050 or so), but besides those two reasons, does that matter? Where is the foundation of the argument that we must have population growth to…
That's not the 1st time I see this thinking fallacy. please talk to your grandparents about the topic and report back to us.
Grandparents who lived lot more poorly or had their siblings die as babies? Lot more babies survive and their living standards are much higher. Maybe that is reasonable trade-off...
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#6Besides feeding the economy (and by that, I mean buying consumerist stuff from large corps) and providing the army with cannon fodder, I still haven’t haven’t heard a lot of good arguments for having these babies. Humanity would shrink (I think this is calculated to start after 2050 or so), but besides those two reasons, does that matter? Where is the foundation of the argument that we must have population growth to…
That's not the 1st time I see this thinking fallacy. please talk to your grandparents about the topic and report back to us.
My grandparents are dead, but I doubt they would have much to say about it; they had kids (in the 1940s) because their parents would not accept anything less; religion + marriage + kids. They often told me and my parents they didn't want kids and they were supposed to have as many as possible but they only had one and promised to have more but never did.
But what great insights would they come up with pray tell? In those days (it was WOII) it was to work the land (economy), cannon fodder and pension plan (have them take care of you). What else?
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That's not the 1st time I see this thinking fallacy. please talk to your grandparents about the topic and report back to us.
My grandparents are dead, but I doubt they would have much to say about it; they had kids (in the 1940s) because their parents would not accept anything less; religion + marriage + kids. They often told me and my parents they didn't want kids and they were supposed to have as many as possible but they only had one and promised to have more but never did. But what great insights would they come up with pray tell? In t…
If it wasn't for your grandparents you wouldn't be here.
That's what is else, your very existence!
I'm sure you would agree, your life has value and meaning beyond a utilitarian or disposable cog in a wheel.
By extension therefore all lives are equally valuable and necessary.
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My grandparents are dead, but I doubt they would have much to say about it; they had kids (in the 1940s) because their parents would not accept anything less; religion + marriage + kids. They often told me and my parents they didn't want kids and they were supposed to have as many as possible but they only had one and promised to have more but never did. But what great insights would they come up with pray tell? In t…
If it wasn't for your grandparents you wouldn't be here. That's what is else, your very existence! I'm sure you would agree, your life has value and meaning beyond a utilitarian or disposable cog in a wheel. By extension therefore all lives are equally valuable and necessary.
> Your life has value
It does? Measured by what? That's what I say; I'm a consumer, but beyond that, how am I valuable? How are you?
> By extension all lives are equally valuable and necessary.
You are a vegan? Are plants lives lives?
Also, putting too much pressure on the planet with over population makes it the opposite of valuable.
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If it wasn't for your grandparents you wouldn't be here. That's what is else, your very existence! I'm sure you would agree, your life has value and meaning beyond a utilitarian or disposable cog in a wheel. By extension therefore all lives are equally valuable and necessary.
> Your life has value It does? Measured by what? That's what I say; I'm a consumer, but beyond that, how am I valuable? How are you? > By extension all lives are equally valuable and necessary. You are a vegan? Are plants lives lives? Also, putting too much pressure on the planet with over population makes it the opposite of valuable.
By any measurement you care to make yourself. You value your own life.
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> Your life has value It does? Measured by what? That's what I say; I'm a consumer, but beyond that, how am I valuable? How are you? > By extension all lives are equally valuable and necessary. You are a vegan? Are plants lives lives? Also, putting too much pressure on the planet with over population makes it the opposite of valuable.
By any measurement you care to make yourself. You value your own life.
> You value your own life.
We are an accidental blib in a cold vast cosmos; nothing and no-one would think of us or remember us if the earth explodes today (or if someone hits the nuke button). I 'value' my life in so far that I am not in pain and I was born in the right location with the right interests (math + computing) to do whatever I want to sit it out until I die.
How is any of it a reason to make more babies though or a sign we have a shortage just because we make less than we need to create a population equilibrium or growth?