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Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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What reasoning about the facts surrounding an applicant is not "bias"?

The term "bias" usually implies "unfair bias", like a lower likelihood of hiring some black, all else being equal.

Being an ex-enterpreneur isn't like being a woman, or black; it's a relevant piece of job background.

Would that person rather continue to be an enterpreneur? Are they here because they ran out of money, or got spooked, or burned out or whatever?

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

#62
Biases - but if I may - I've been on both sides and as an ex-entrepreneur, I feel I'm really easy going especially when it comes to office stuff. Have a chair? Great now let's solve this business issue. I don't expect much really and I'd say less than most as we're used to do more with less - as long as it's decent pay for the work and the team rocks.

Now when it comes to office politics... I have to agree. I and most of us have no patience for incompetence and time burning in meetings and coffee talks...

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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> I just want likable people who will execute on my ideas (or the ideas I’m simply passing on from higher management), or with light discussion, even if the execution isn’t perfect. That sounds horrible. I want people working under/with me that will question the work, that will try to figure out if it's the right work. It is common for decisions "from higher management" to be made without a real in-depth knowledge of…

Startup or not, you're not always being paid to think, even if you're capable of it. It's super annoying to work with people who only want to push back when it's not part of the mandate - just like it's annoying to work with people who don't think for themselves when it's expected. Knowing what the job is is and important skill no matter where you work, if somebody can't do that it's a big problem.

Totally on point. Sometimes you just have to roll with it.

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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Please never work for me.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual. This is why it's so important to suss out team culture before taking a job.

I acknowledge that there are plenty of workplaces where “Make the boss feel smart” is unfortunately necessary, but going into a job with this attitude contributes directly to the environment the OP derides.

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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I remember reading about how McDonald's makes prospective franchise owners take personality tests and actively select against creative types.

That seems extremely plausible. The last thing McDonald's wants is a franchise doing something innovative or different because it wouldn't be the same terrible experience as every other McDonald's.

I dunno if that all applies any more post covid in these parts. McDonalds was always predictably and blandly bad, but the couple of times I've stupidly visited since covid they seem to have swung into unpredictably bad territory. Maybe management creativity has won out after all.

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

#66
Can confirm. I have 30+ years of experience. Submitted resume to jobs that should be trivial given my experience, I literally published books covering the technologies they use. Didn't even get a phone interview before rejection. When I do get to the interview they always love me, but it's surprisingly challenging to get to that stage.

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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Maybe that's it but whenever I've been in hiring rounds for dev roles and seen someone operating solo the story I see on their resume tends to look like they are solo because they were fired or otherwise couldn't make it in the corporate world so they tried to go solo, failed again and are trying to go back to the corporate world. That doesn't bode well. If I see someone got a real company going with a real developed…

what would be a better title then ceo for a small company? i’ve generally used owner.

President; managing director.

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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Maybe that's it but whenever I've been in hiring rounds for dev roles and seen someone operating solo the story I see on their resume tends to look like they are solo because they were fired or otherwise couldn't make it in the corporate world so they tried to go solo, failed again and are trying to go back to the corporate world. That doesn't bode well. If I see someone got a real company going with a real developed…

what would be a better title then ceo for a small company? i’ve generally used owner.

Founder or owner I think are the best. President is fine if you have a a couple employees, CEO I'd even be totally fine with for a small company, it just approaches cringy in my book when its founders using a corporate title that usually implies a larger organizational structure and it is really just them (a single person/no employee company).

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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what would be a better title then ceo for a small company? i’ve generally used owner.

Founder or owner I think are the best. President is fine if you have a a couple employees, CEO I'd even be totally fine with for a small company, it just approaches cringy in my book when its founders using a corporate title that usually implies a larger organizational structure and it is really just them (a single person/no employee company).

i’ve been conflicted using founder since in some circles it implies the VC route

thanks

Re: Study found corporate recruiters have a bias against ex-entrepreneurs

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> I just want likable people who will execute on my ideas (or the ideas I’m simply passing on from higher management), or with light discussion, even if the execution isn’t perfect. That sounds horrible. I want people working under/with me that will question the work, that will try to figure out if it's the right work. It is common for decisions "from higher management" to be made without a real in-depth knowledge of…

I've worked in both sorts of companies. The constant questioning may work well at smaller scale but kills productivity at larger scales. Putting aside that it inevitably becomes a political exercise as much as a technical one (because the different technical solutions almost always reflect competing priorities), it also requires perfect sharing of information across the organization, which does not scale. Especially…

> Meanwhile, the answer is that the features are necessary because someone is willing to pay $$$ for them.

Just because someone is willing to pay for them doesn't mean they're worth doing. It could be that adding a feature makes other features harder to add or support. So sure, it might get you a win today, but it will cost you in the long run. And someone needs to be making sure the question being answered isn't "do we want a win today", it's "do we want the win today at the cost of a larger loss tomorrow" (when that's the case). And the sales team and higher managers don't see that. So it's the developer's job to make sure the questions are asked.

Sure, sometimes the answer is that yes, the feature is needed today, and it's worth the pain later caused by it. But if someone doesn't ask about the pain, it can't be considered into the decision.

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