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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by ethbr1 »

snakeyjake wrote: post #80
ethbr1 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be nervous of automobiles falling into the US housing trap. In other words, failing to realize that raising minimum requirements (and therefore prices) makes it unaffordable for an increasing number of people. Human-parity (in terms of accident rate, not failure mode) seems a reasonable minimum bar.

New automobiles are available for the same price they’ve always been. For proof I offer the price of the 1969 Volkswagen Beetle, the least expensive new car for sale in the US market for almost its entire sales history: $1800. That’s for one with zero options. A rolling chassis with four seats and a motor. That’s $16k today. Coincidentally the same price of the Nissan Versa or Mitsubishi Mirage: with backup camera, a…

Can SAR scaled across congestion ever be that cheap though?

Blanketing the frequency slice with echos seems like a non-trivial problem. Or would that help?

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by binary132 »

this_steve_j wrote: post #69

Watching this video, I am impressed by how well FSD works! Watching FSD crash videos, though, I am reminded by the many spectacular failure modes of SAE Level The NHTSA reported in April that most fatal FSD crashes involved no driver intervention, or driver intervention only in the last 1 second, and in all cases an attentive driver could have perceived and taken steps to lessen the severity of damage and injuries in…

Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one multi-thousand pound hunk of deadly steel is hurtling down the road, let alone hundreds and thousands, and lives at stake. It simply is madness.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by resource_waste »

wrboyce wrote: post #34
resource_waste wrote: post #2

Mercedes? Pick an easier competition? As much as European cars have a favorable reputation among American consumers: They are awful! If you do benchmarking, you are going to find European cars have lots of appearance parts that are high quality, but the actual components are poor. A more realistic comparison would be to compare Tesla vs Ford or GM. These are 3 companies that have similar tech/culture standards. This…

Nice cherry picking, I occasionally see a (ridiculously oversized) Chevrolet (Corvettes I think) on the road here in Britain and the build quality is utter shite, not to mention how fugly they are but I suppose that is subjective. How many McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc equivalents does America produce? Beyond most of those examples there is good reason “German Engineering” is an oft-repeated phrase. See…

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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by FeloniousHam »

binary132 wrote: post #82
this_steve_j wrote: post #69

Watching this video, I am impressed by how well FSD works! Watching FSD crash videos, though, I am reminded by the many spectacular failure modes of SAE Level The NHTSA reported in April that most fatal FSD crashes involved no driver intervention, or driver intervention only in the last 1 second, and in all cases an attentive driver could have perceived and taken steps to lessen the severity of damage and injuries in…

Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one multi-thousand pound hunk of deadly steel is hurtling down the road, let alone hundreds and thousands, and lives at stake. It simply is madness.

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point.

Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

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Post by micah94 »

FeloniousHam wrote: post #84
binary132 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one multi-thousand pound hunk of deadly steel is hurtling down the road, let alone hundreds and thousands, and lives at stake. It simply is madness.

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

Surely this is sarcasm. You'd prefer a drunk person getting into a Tesla with FSD vs. an attentive and alert person driving (anything else)? I'm sorry but being drunk and getting behind the wheel, that's an automatic fail. I don't care what you're driving. You shouldn't be behind that wheel in a position of responsibility when you are under the influence. I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence.

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Post by jaybeavers »

redwood wrote: post #44
cs702 wrote: post #14

By many accounts, Tesla FSD has improved rapidly, now feels "very human," and will soon have greater adoption than any other self-driving software.[a] Speaking from personal experience, I've tested the most recent version of Supervised FSD, v12.3.6, and it's much better than most people realize. Once Tesla stops requiring human supervision, I expect FSD adoption rate to go "hockey-stick." --- [a] Based on a conversio…

Yes it's way beyond what most people realize now

I took. my wife’s Model X out for a moderately complicated drive last night and was very pleasantly surprised by the new FSD behavior.

Very significantly improved over the last few updates.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by binary132 »

FeloniousHam wrote: post #84
binary132 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one multi-thousand pound hunk of deadly steel is hurtling down the road, let alone hundreds and thousands, and lives at stake. It simply is madness.

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

Self driving cars should exist because careless people might not drive safely? That’s interesting. How about we just make it illegal to drive drunk or drowsy?

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by FeloniousHam »

binary132 wrote: post #87
FeloniousHam wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

Self driving cars should exist because careless people might not drive safely? That’s interesting. How about we just make it illegal to drive drunk or drowsy?

It already is illegal (certainly to drive under the influence). But consider even someone driving "buzzed" (not "drunk", and maybe not even strictly over the legal limit): is the roadway safer with or without "Full" Self Driving technology?

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by FeloniousHam »

micah94 wrote: post #85
FeloniousHam wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

Surely this is sarcasm. You'd prefer a drunk person getting into a Tesla with FSD vs. an attentive and alert person driving (anything else)? I'm sorry but being drunk and getting behind the wheel, that's an automatic fail. I don't care what you're driving. You shouldn't be behind that wheel in a position of responsibility when you are under the influence. I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under th…

My point is not that a drunk "should" drive, even with FSD. It's that clearly they do. I know someone personally who drives under the influence frequently despite the legal and material risks. No one thinks this is a good idea.

I would absolutely prefer any driver using FSD, but especially one physically and mentally inhibited by drugs or alcohol.

> I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence.

I've commented on this before, but: no one using FSD for even a short period of time is "under the influence" of the branding. The lived experience of the technology is that is amazing and useful, even if it flawed. YMMV

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by andix »

snakeyjake wrote: post #51
redwood wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this perspective. Somehow humans drive with visual input

The goal is to be better than, not equivalent to, humans-- right? I work on a synthetic aperture radar system that is high-resolution enough to "see" the painted stripes on roads through fog and a thin layer of snow. It's not for automotive use and would increase the price of every car by several hundred thousand dollars but a fusion of multi-spectrum sensors should be the direction we are headed-- not a minimally-vi…

Its enough to be as good as a responsible human driver, but consistently. The AI is never going to be tired, distracted, angry, drunk, and so on. Drivers not bringing their A-game is probably the most common reason for accidents.
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