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Boston Bar Buzz-Kill
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Re: Boston Bar Buzz-Kill
#22Here is my problem with Boston: If you look even remotely like your 25 or younger and not dressed 'like a business person', your presumed to be some random college 'kid' who doesn't know anything. If you live anywhere nice this is often immediately followed by awesome questions like "your parents pay for you to live here?". To me the Boston business ethos is anti-youth and of an 'old guard' mentality. Your either you…
Your inability to write in proper english is not helping your argument.
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#23As soon as more small, smart companies begin taking a holistic approach to recruiting, this is going to become more and more of an issue.
People who work hard and play hard and can live anywhere will choose the places that maximize fun/convenience to cost. It's not a one-dimensional continuum, either - places like Berlin have cheap cost of living _and_ a fantastic nightlife, but government bureaucracy makes it more inconvenient for small businesses here.
It's funny how these pockets of win always seem to work out by chance and circumstance.
In another decade, governments will be playing this game with tax laws for information workers, too. Naturally, the ratio of gross/net income is just as important to the final value of this "happiness equation" as the cost of living, or gross salary.
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#24Here is my problem with Boston: If you look even remotely like your 25 or younger and not dressed 'like a business person', your presumed to be some random college 'kid' who doesn't know anything. If you live anywhere nice this is often immediately followed by awesome questions like "your parents pay for you to live here?". To me the Boston business ethos is anti-youth and of an 'old guard' mentality. Your either you…
(I used to live in Allston, currently living in the "greater Boston area".)
"If you look even remotely like your 25 or younger and not dressed 'like a business person', your presumed to be some random college 'kid' who doesn't know anything. If you live anywhere nice this is often immediately followed by awesome questions like "your parents pay for you to live here?"."
This is purely personal experience, but every single one of my friends when I was living in Allston was, at least, getting money from their parents monthly, and none had any kind of full-time work to speak of. FWIW.
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#25I guess nightclubs are important - if you are the club-going sort. I've never made a deal in a club, solved a problem in a club, or even actually held a decent conversation - its too dang loud for that.
As for a break from codeing or whatever, I get on my bike and ride. Builds me up instead of tearing me down, physically and emotionally.
I'm just not sure the bar-hopping sort is whom I want to meet/hire/work with. Probably makes me puritanical and staid; but I get things done. The best developers I know get things done; none of them frequent/even care about the nightclub scene.
In fact the nerdy, knowledgable deep-think architect/designer crowd I hang with would look absolutely ridiculous in a nightclub.
So I'm thinking, no, its not a lack of clubs that keeps a city from being a tech hub. Its more likely an accident of history, not yet reaching critical mass, some missing tax incentive or something like that.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Keep The T open until three or four, so busy entrepreneurs can get home for a few hours of sleep. Not gonna happen for the rail transit modes, the down time is necessary so maintenance and track inspection can happen (the T isn't like NYC transit where local service can be shunted to express tracks during shutdowns). I suppose the T could substitute buses during those hours, but that will require a lot of money the…
I hear this argument a lot, but I live on the Green Line and I very, very rarely see them doing any maintenance after hours on the tracks. Personally, I think it would make a huge difference if they ran 24/7 through Friday and Saturday evenings.
> it would make a huge difference if they ran 24/7 through Friday and Saturday evenings.
What does that mean? Wouldn't 24/7 mean all night every evening? Or are you just saying they should at least run all night on the weekends...?
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#27Nightlife/bars in Boston are absolutely not the issue here. Compared to Boston, everything in San Francisco closes much earlier and public transport is inferior to boot. Yet people still flock there.
I'm from boston and visited san francisco. Public Works with dj harvey until 4am. Would never, ever, happen in boston.
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#28I guess nightclubs are important - if you are the club-going sort. I've never made a deal in a club, solved a problem in a club, or even actually held a decent conversation - its too dang loud for that. As for a break from codeing or whatever, I get on my bike and ride. Builds me up instead of tearing me down, physically and emotionally. I'm just not sure the bar-hopping sort is whom I want to meet/hire/work with. Pr…
The best developers I've met were all serious clubbers (well, one of them was an ex-serious-clubber when I met him, mid-30s). Your anecdote is not data; no doubt you hang with people with similar interests to yourself (and do you actually know none of them go clubbing? You'd be surprised how geeky certain club scenes are)
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Anecdotally,) I disagree: I didn't discover many of the best parts of SF until I started driving around here. It feels like SF geography is really designed to keep you out of certain neighborhoods unless you're driving there to see friends. In Boston, though, even when I had a car, I didn't feel like I was hanging out in better places than when I was riding the T everywhere I went. Again, just an anecdote, but one s…
I think your point is a bit separate from the parent post. I definitely can get anywhere I need to on the T in Boston, it "goes everywhere". The problem is that the way its laid out does not support movements in a reasonable amount of time unless you happen to be along one of the primary spokes. If your trip involves the outer parts of the green line your completely screwed, it stops every 2 blocks so it takes foreve…
I was disagreeing with this line: "Public transportation is a million times better in San Francisco. Not once have I ever felt like a car was necessary in the ~5 years I've lived here."
Re: Boston Bar Buzz-Kill
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Keep The T open until three or four, so busy entrepreneurs can get home for a few hours of sleep. Not gonna happen for the rail transit modes, the down time is necessary so maintenance and track inspection can happen (the T isn't like NYC transit where local service can be shunted to express tracks during shutdowns). I suppose the T could substitute buses during those hours, but that will require a lot of money the…
I hear this argument a lot, but I live on the Green Line and I very, very rarely see them doing any maintenance after hours on the tracks. Personally, I think it would make a huge difference if they ran 24/7 through Friday and Saturday evenings.
@mbell & @keypusher - they don't do maintenance on every inch of track every night, but I've spent a lot of time working on the T after hours and there is always some maintenance activity happening on all the lines (even if it's just track inspection which isn't something you're likely to notice unless your looking for it).