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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by edgarvaldes »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #46
nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

All these people giving recs are doing it wrong. You can determine if an anime is worth your time by merely looking at the title and what the source material is and the following simple system: Candidates start with 5 points. If they have a positive score after applying the system, they're at least worth checking out (although they will not necessarily be good). If not, you are likely wasting your time. 1) Every word…

I'm not into anime, but I would like to see some recent series. But! I want an anime with adult MC, no power levels, no schools, not about magic, no mechas, no overtly sexual (inuendos, jokes). No exaggerated facial gestures. Something like the overall tone of Legend of the Galactic Heroes but more recent.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by glandium »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #176
nicolas_t wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, as someone who both loved Now and Then, Here and There and Twelve Kingdoms, I want some recommendations from you :) Those two series were really great. But I do agree with you, they were great because they actually had something to say about the real world.

There's not a lot else like them in anime, so none of the shows I'm about to list are good for the same reasons that those two were good. Shinsekai Yori was great, and a rare case of high-effort worldbuilding that actually delivers on its premise. Highly spoilable. If Akiba Maid Sensou is not my anime-of-the-decade for this decade, I will be very surprised, but it assumes you understand both yakuza culture and maid c…

> I'm not sure what someone who doesn't would get out of it.

They would get the final scene of the first episode.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by riffraff »

> America and Europe saw their first major “anime boom” during the ‘90s.

I'm not sure that's true, we had a ton of anime in Europe in the 80s already.

Capitan Tsubasa aired in 86 in Italy and 88 in France, and I'm pretty sure we had a lot of Go Nagai stuff before that.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by jonhohle »

yieldcrv wrote: post #188

> That story started in the early ‘90s, in London. A local businessman saw Akira at an art film screening. Exhibit A on why I looooove movie screenings Imaging seeing a bunch of quirky short film misses from amateur producers that at least take initiative, to seeing Akira . in the early 90s. an advanced style in a medium nobody had really explored with a cohesive well thought out message. And you’re like “and this st…

> an advanced style in a medium nobody had really explored with a cohesive well thought out message.

Only of you ignore Miyazaki. Nausicaa and to a lesser extent Castle in the Sky aren’t cyberpunk, but definitely pushed the state of the art and storytelling forward with universally applicable narratives. I’m not saying Akira isn’t good or that the viewing wasn’t serendipitous, but it certainly wasn’t alone in what was happening in Japan at the time.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by Enydosnes »

riffraff wrote: post #193

> America and Europe saw their first major “anime boom” during the ‘90s. I'm not sure that's true, we had a ton of anime in Europe in the 80s already. Capitan Tsubasa aired in 86 in Italy and 88 in France, and I'm pretty sure we had a lot of Go Nagai stuff before that.

As far as I'm aware, France was a relative outlier in Europe in regards to popularity of Japanese media with it preceding more widespread adoption in popular European culture.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by christiaanb »

Murskautuminen wrote: post #187
christiaanb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the only anime where the voice actor for one of the Dutch characters actually speaks proper Dutch (as opposed to e.g. German or very broken Dutch). Although they picked a weird translation for the concept of boss/chief/ranking officer, and they chose “opperhoofd”; which as a Dutch person is something you associate as a person that is the head of a tribe, not ranking officer.

Actually, the term opperhoofd was used by chief ranking officers of the Dutch trading companies in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOC_opperhoofden_in_Japan

Ah, did that know that! That makes the voice acting and script even better then.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by latentsea »

tauwauwau wrote: post #129
nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

Here's a list of some old and new ones, that an old fart might enjoy Monster (Chasing a serial killer) Ergo Proxy (Can't describe it) Samurai 7 (Sci-fi variant off 7 samurai) Last Exile (Post appocapltic world with lots of flying machines) Kino's Journey Mushishi Time of Eve Gargantia Baccano Durarara Psycho Pass Arslan Senki Sunaboju (Desert Punk) Witch Hunter Robin Hunter x Hunter (old not new) Texnolyze Darker tha…

Started watching GTO and so far 3 episodes in it's about him lusting after 16 year olds?

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by slillibri »

bostik wrote: post #10

I hadn't realised Jin-Roh was from the same creator. And I can see why it wasn't a success: Jin-Roh is dark, properly dystopian, confusing, and unforgiving. But underneath there is a retold story of the little red riding-hood, in the original Grimm fashion. The wolf wins.

FYI, Masamune Shirow is the creator of Ghost in the Shell. Mamoru Oshii directed the anime adaptation.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by gpderetta »

riffraff wrote: post #193

> America and Europe saw their first major “anime boom” during the ‘90s. I'm not sure that's true, we had a ton of anime in Europe in the 80s already. Capitan Tsubasa aired in 86 in Italy and 88 in France, and I'm pretty sure we had a lot of Go Nagai stuff before that.

Indeed, Mazinger was an household name in Italy even earlier than that.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by gpderetta »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #179

Saw it at the theater. What a time to be alive! And then three years later we get The Matrix!

Rumour is that the sale pitch[1] for The Matrix was the Wachowskis showing GITS to the producers and saying "We wanna do that for real."

(and wow, it was only three year later).

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/oct/19/hollywood-ghost...

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