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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by justinclift »

Filligree wrote: post #131
justinclift wrote: post #17

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That's definitely a "depends on your taste" thing. :) [The below are mostly series rather than movies] For something that's really interesting, and also family friendly, Den-noh Coil is really good: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den-noh_Coil --- A similar "feel" kind of thing (family friendly) to the above is The Orbital Children: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orbital_Children --- For stand out story, probabl…

Orbital Children is a literal sequel to Dennou Coil. But I’m sure you’re aware of this. :)

Ahhh cool. Didn't actually remember that, though I had a faint feeling they were related. :)

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Post by nicolas_t »

Apocryphon wrote: post #136
SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #71

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That's beyond heartbreaking. Everything is somehow getting worse but I'd held out hope that something universally considered a masterpiece might get better treatment. Do you know if a better release exists in Japan?

Eh, we lost the original moon tapes and George Lucas suppressed the theatrical Star Wars cut. Very common even in the modern era for this sort of thing to happen.

At least for the theatrical Star Wars cut there's an excellent fan restoration 4k77 based on a 35mm IB technicolor film scan. The amount of work fans do to restore work they care about more than the corporate owners is always both amazing and heartwarming.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by thefaux »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #147
JKCalhoun wrote: post #109

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The "Lord of the Rings" novel is that way too to anyone not steeped in fantasy. It might be hard to imagine for many people these days that "elves" and "dwarves" strictly meant children's fairytales before Tolkien. Magical rings, wizards, dragons with tunnels of gold ... seems so cliche now it is easy to see why someone would wonder what the big deal about Tolkien is.

Elves and dwarves didn't strictly mean children's fairy tales prior to Tolkien. There's plenty of semi-popular prior art where they feature, like the Worm Ouroboros or The King of Elfland's Daughter . Poul Anderson also published The Broken Sword the same year as LOTR, which shows a lot of the same influences as written by a very different author. Tolkien's importance is that the specific kinds of creatures he wrote…

Plus Wagner's ring cycle.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by nicolas_t »

Gigablah wrote: post #76
mauvia wrote: post #31

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Have you tried any of Satoshi Kon's movies? Tokyo Godfathers is an amazing and deeply human christmas comedy about homeless people in the Tokyo streets, filled with magical moments of cinematography. Paprika is a less lighthearted story about inner lives, dreams and ambitions set across a sci fi backdrop where people are learning to enter each other's dreams and link them together. It has gorgeous dreamscapes and an…

Satoshi Kon’s Millennium Actress is one of the best movies I have ever seen.

Yes, it's one of those movies that marked movie. The music is also very interesting, distinctively different from most anime movies.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by nicolas_t »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #63
ojhughes wrote: post #51

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I really enjoyed "Re:ZERO - Starting Life in Another World" despite it scoring -11.5 using your system (Isekai translates to another world)

If you hadn't seen Now and Then, Here and There, or Twelve Kingdoms, or read Red River, then maybe it'd seem fresh and interesting, but I dropped Re:Zero pretty early. Good genre fiction still has something to say about the real world, and Re:Zero felt like it was trying so hard to subvert genre expectations set by other fiction that it forgot that.

Ok, as someone who both loved Now and Then, Here and There and Twelve Kingdoms, I want some recommendations from you :) Those two series were really great.

But I do agree with you, they were great because they actually had something to say about the real world.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by wongarsu »

maxglute wrote: post #47
Shinchy wrote: post #34

I'm not sure what others are saying, I re-watched Ghost in the Shell again recently and I had forgotten just how brilliant it is. There is something pure about it that you just don't find in modern anime, something that really resonated.

Every part of GiS has been, per article "endlessly ripped off, referenced and remixed". Whatever one liked about original GiS, there's a derivation out there that turns dial to 11 and makes the original feel basic in retrospect. But that's testimony to GiS greatness.

Not the original GIS, but GIS: Standalone Complex is still one of the best examples out there of "realistic" special forces action scenes. A lot of screen time spent getting all the pieces into position, culminating in just a couple seconds of fast-paced action.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #44

Just a notice that all Blu-Rays of the 95 GITS are completely and hopelessly mangled (cropped, blurred and black crushed). The only "good" version is an old HDTV rip that was hand-remastered by Judgment; but with heavy smoothing in the process, a film grain shader to mask this is recommended. BD: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/BD... HDTV: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/10…

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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

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Post by AI_beffr »

anime is a completely pointless topic in my opinion. i honestly feel like it has no future because of AI. even if there is something that resembles anime in the future, it will all be drawn and probably written by AI. what is the point of that? and looking back, the only thing that made anime so good was that it was niche. GITS for example, while touching on interesting concepts and being beautifully drawn, doesnt have a very good story. it was niche enough, small enough and nimble enough to touch on cool, ahead-of-their-time concepts that hadnt yet broken through to mainstream. but beyond that, it doesnt really do much. most anime that ive seen is extremely violent, has meandering dis-jointed writing, etc. not of much value to anyone above the age of 16.

watching GITS now is even more disappointing because all of the transhumanist, cyberpunk themes that are touched upon arent cool anymore. they are reality now. AI is here and its a real thing that we have to deal with. soon we really will have to deal with the concepts seen in GITS. and its just tired and disappointing because it wont be like a cool anime, it will be horrible and dangerous and disgusting. society will be shattered..

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Post by rvba »

ghaff wrote: post #98
jonathanlydall wrote: post #92

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I watched The Shining for the first time in around 2012 and when commenting to an older friend about it I said something to the effect of "It's good, but I didn't feel it was exceptional." to which he replied saying that "Yes, but consider that it was the first real film of that genre, it only seems "okay" today because you're comparing to all the films of the same genre which came after and were largely influenced b…

There are a number of films: The Matrix, the original Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Avatar, I’m sure many others that were just so different and jaw-dropping in many ways when they first came out—in those cases because of effects of various types mostly—that it can be hard to appreciate their novelty at the time. Some stand up better than others.

The matrix to some degree is inspired by Ghost in the shell .
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