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Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by Filligree » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:14 PM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #17

nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

That's definitely a "depends on your taste" thing. :) [The below are mostly series rather than movies] For something that's really interesting, and also family friendly, Den-noh Coil is really good: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den-noh_Coil --- A similar "feel" kind of thing (family friendly) to the above is The Orbital Children: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orbital_Children --- For stand out story, probabl…

Orbital Children is a literal sequel to Dennou Coil. But I’m sure you’re aware of this. :)

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by ethbr1 » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:15 PM UTC

cjk2 wrote: post #105

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wooden peg leg and the parrot on my experienced and still active privateer shoulder tell me no.

That is the way. Arrr.

Anime piracy and subtitles, even with globalization, is on a different level. Especially with the detail and effort that goes into some fansubs.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by jwells89 » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:15 PM UTC

FranOntanaya wrote: post #95

chambers wrote: post #21

I rewatched Ghost in the Shell recently and I was struck by how poorly it aged. Its animation holds up but its story felt weaker than I remembered. Like the director reached for something deep, couldn't get ahold of it, and then covered his tracks behind wordy philosophy.

I never felt it was any different. The 95 movie was always the more mystical take, for story the SAC series was better, specially 2nd GIG.

SAC/Second GIG were a rare case of the entire production firing on all cylinders. Even its English dub was leagues better than the average (and IME, somewhat necessary for those who can’t understand Japanese; even as a subtitle watcher of 20+ years I sometimes have trouble following subs in SAC because the dialogue is so dense and technical). Shows like that don’t show up often.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by cgriswald » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:18 PM UTC

inhumantsar wrote: post #113

JKCalhoun wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Lord of the Rings" novel is that way too to anyone not steeped in fantasy. It might be hard to imagine for many people these days that "elves" and "dwarves" strictly meant children's fairytales before Tolkien. Magical rings, wizards, dragons with tunnels of gold ... seems so cliche now it is easy to see why someone would wonder what the big deal about Tolkien is.

same deal with neuromancer

I think it’s slightly different. Tolkein made fairy tales grow up, but people already had some familiarity with these things. Tolkien gave them a new way to think about those things.

Gibson’s strength was that he could describe—in an accessible way—concepts that were quite foreign to most people at the time.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by hwbunny » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:23 PM UTC

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #114

hwbunny wrote: post #81

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Watch Redline, Demon City Shinjuku, Ergo Proxy, Psycho Pass, GITS series (not the netflix animated crap), Berserk, Ninja Scroll, Jormungandr, Black Lagoon.

I watched Redline recently. The animation is worth seeing but the "story" is paper-thin. Ergo Proxy I just didn't get. Psycho Pass I really enjoyed; good depth of story and exploration of the pros and cons. GitS series is probably my favourite anime, and very high up in my favourite anything. Berserk is good, and descends into Evangelion-level insanity as it progresses. Ninja Scroll is forever a classic. Worth a re-w…

Redline animation is WORTH SEEING? :DDDD Man, that's the absolute top ever created.

People really are ungrateful and deserve the borderline idiotic Attack of the Titans rather than these classics.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by Apocryphon » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:28 PM UTC

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #71

BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #44

Just a notice that all Blu-Rays of the 95 GITS are completely and hopelessly mangled (cropped, blurred and black crushed). The only "good" version is an old HDTV rip that was hand-remastered by Judgment; but with heavy smoothing in the process, a film grain shader to mask this is recommended. BD: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/BD... HDTV: http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/10…

That's beyond heartbreaking. Everything is somehow getting worse but I'd held out hope that something universally considered a masterpiece might get better treatment. Do you know if a better release exists in Japan?

Eh, we lost the original moon tapes and George Lucas suppressed the theatrical Star Wars cut. Very common even in the modern era for this sort of thing to happen.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by nurettin » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:33 PM UTC

tauwauwau wrote: post #129

nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

Here's a list of some old and new ones, that an old fart might enjoy Monster (Chasing a serial killer) Ergo Proxy (Can't describe it) Samurai 7 (Sci-fi variant off 7 samurai) Last Exile (Post appocapltic world with lots of flying machines) Kino's Journey Mushishi Time of Eve Gargantia Baccano Durarara Psycho Pass Arslan Senki Sunaboju (Desert Punk) Witch Hunter Robin Hunter x Hunter (old not new) Texnolyze Darker tha…

Is there any reason FOTN isn't in there?

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by justsomehnguy » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:54 PM UTC

duggan wrote: post #13

djaouen wrote: post #5

Ahh, anime's heyday. I remember borrowing Samurai Champloo on VHS from my friend around that time when I was in high school... good times!

Champloo came out in 2004, wasn’t VHS a distant memory by then, or was I just “living in the future”? :) Sure you’re not thinking of Cowboy Bebop?

[not the OP]

I find it quite amusing what many people (including myself sometimes) have a pretty blurry memory about when we moved from VHS.

But I think it mostly contributes on what for some people VHS were a dominant media for quite a while, because they didn't had the means to see the digital media.

It's easier to understand what the first [commercially] successful DVD player was PlayStation 2, which became available ~2001. Before that DVDs were quite a costly[0] endeavour.

But at the same time people with the access to a computer (and a local 'everything for $15' totally-legit-shop) had the benefits of DivX ;) releases on a plain CD-ROMs, which every home computer had.

Some anecdata: I first seen Blade (1998) on VHS, but The Matrix (1999) on DivX rip, yet (I think) Spirited Away (2001) on VHS. I frequented a local VHS rental (because a friend worked there and so it places it up to 2002? 2001?) so I had seen a lot of films on VHS, but again, by 2002 it was a meme how people searching for XXX on DC++ got XXX (2002) instead.

[0] https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/your-1st-...

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by metalspoon » Sat, May 11, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

nanna wrote: post #4

I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation, sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth. What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming convin…

Patema Inverted is in the league there, graphics wise. It's crazy how nobody had ever tried the idea of the character pov of falling towards the sky. The immersive feeling is real and genius.

Re: Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'

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Post by bch » Sat, May 11, 2024, 3:01 PM UTC

lupusreal wrote: post #103

xorbax wrote: post #68

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This is why I think Akira can't be surpassed. Not just because it was done on acetate, but because of the level of skill and consideration required to animate that way. You can't just undo that brush stroke onto the cel and try something else. As much as technology has democratized the field, I think it also lowers the heights. I desperately hope I'm wrong and just old, but I haven't met someone who puts up something…

I think animation done in computers can be excellent, but is disadvantaged because computers make it easier to do thinks quick and cheap and the economics of animation incentivises taking that direction. Redline is a rare example where I think it's done well.

> Redline is a rare example

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