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Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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dogman144 wrote: post #260
billfruit wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think scientifically there are very good reasons to assume that ingesting carcinogenic products of combustion into respiratory tract is injurious to health. Normal cigarettes does that, and vaping does not. Thus vaping is a significant reduction in harm as compared to cigarettes. While I don't deny that vaping companies and their corporate cheer leaders may have made the same argument, what exactly is the problem w…

Where does popcorn lung etc fit on your spectrum of healthy consequence free vaping? Or a nicotine addiction in a middle schooler because of the ease of access and child marketing.

I didn't say vaping was consequence free, but only that it is a significant reduction in harm.

Vaping seems to have much lesser consequences than smoking cigarettes due to the reasons mentioned above.

Thus vaping is a reduction in harm compared to smoking cigarettes.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by dogman144 »

billfruit wrote: post #261
dogman144 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does popcorn lung etc fit on your spectrum of healthy consequence free vaping? Or a nicotine addiction in a middle schooler because of the ease of access and child marketing.

I didn't say vaping was consequence free, but only that it is a significant reduction in harm. Vaping seems to have much lesser consequences than smoking cigarettes due to the reasons mentioned above. Thus vaping is a reduction in harm compared to smoking cigarettes.

Going to have to add in “addicting middle schoolers en masse” to your harm reduction logic chain. After decades of that going away (I literally remember the “smokers corner” in high school and how there were 5 peole there), you now have 1950’s style teen vaping/nicotine addictions again.

You’ve failed to acknowledge or consider the consequences of this even once.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by interludead »

lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

Vaping has made it so that now there's no need to hide the smell from parents

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by interludead »

dudisubekti wrote: post #26
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

But what’s so bad about nicotine? Is it any worse than caffeine? I’m genuinely curious, because isn’t tar and carbon monoxide the dangerous byproduct of smoking, not the nicotine?

Nicotine is a highly addictive stimulant

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Post by interludead »

gwbas1c wrote: post #55
dudisubekti wrote: post #26

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But what’s so bad about nicotine? Is it any worse than caffeine? I’m genuinely curious, because isn’t tar and carbon monoxide the dangerous byproduct of smoking, not the nicotine?

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Quitting cigarettes is about as hard as quitting heroin. In contrast, quitting coffee is much, much easier. On a more personal note, when "The King's Speech" was in theaters I kept watching people smoke cigarettes on screen, and went out and bought some Drum. (Loose tobacco that comes with rolling papers.) Within a few days I started getting a voice in my…

How proud I was of myself when I finally kicked the smoking habit

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by interludead »

rayiner wrote: post #32
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

Health risk is health risks

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by interludead »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #46
rayiner wrote: post #32

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We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot. Until you lean in for a kiss, or even a hug.

Or for example, try to climb the stairs
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