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Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by surfingdino »

rvnx wrote: post #50
nozzlegear wrote: post #28

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Are you inventing dystopian scenarios just so you can be angry, or do you have access to Polestar's internal plans?

Actually these are more likely plans of Tesla to bring new revenues; ads displayed inside the cars.

Not inside, but on the outside, remotely-delivered ads are now being displayed on food delivery scooters https://www.sixteen-nine.net/2022/08/03/london-dooh-start-up... Another use of ad displays was seen in London around Christmas https://www.newsflare.com/video/606086/eros-in-piccadilly-ci... It was monetisation of denial of physical access. Clever.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by pjc50 »

unixhero wrote: post #61
cjk2 wrote: post #54

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100% agree on this. What I'd really like to see is less software in an EV, complete isolation between higher and lower functions, normal physical controls and an ability to run the thing entirely disconnected from the manufacturer's dragnet. It should be able to charge and be driven with all critical instruments working fully disconnected from anything and without software updates. My colleagues who drive EVs regular…

Wow youre missing out, car is such a fundamental freedom enabler - of movement

In a big city, a car is a massive impediment as you have to find somewhere to put it. Every five years or so I forget this and drive into London for something and immediately regret it.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by rvnx »

surfingdino wrote: post #71
rvnx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually these are more likely plans of Tesla to bring new revenues; ads displayed inside the cars.

Not inside, but on the outside, remotely-delivered ads are now being displayed on food delivery scooters https://www.sixteen-nine.net/2022/08/03/london-dooh-start-up... Another use of ad displays was seen in London around Christmas https://www.newsflare.com/video/606086/eros-in-piccadilly-ci... It was monetisation of denial of physical access. Clever.

Clever, you are hired!

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by paradox460 »

NoPicklez wrote: post #2

Whilst it feels strange initially and I caught myself thinking why? Most car reverse cameras for 360 degree cameras provide very good visibility outside of the rear of the car. I don't necessarily see the problem with having a rear windscreen, but that's up to the buyer

My recent model Subaru Ascent came with a "smart mirror". When enabled, the rear view mirror is actually a display, showing a view of what a rear camera, mounted high in the rear window, sees. This is not the backup camera, it's got one of those too, down by the license plate.

At first I had a little bit of skepticism. I figured it would be useful when the back is full of cargo or whatever, but limited beyond that.

A year on and I scarcely use the "real" mirror. The image on the camera is brighter at night, has less obstruction of the cars pillars and such, and it's automatic gain control reduces the amount of blinding a big truck behind me can cause

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by paradox460 »

ssl-3 wrote: post #12
olliej wrote: post #4

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And better color response, no latency, getting some dirt or leaves splashed on your windscreen doesn’t take out the entire field of view…

Counterpoints: I can't see shit out of the back window without some work on my part on many cold mornings ( with electric defrost), but a tiny little camera-heater could be both fast and efficient (which is more important for EVs). I can wipe a small camera lens off faster than I cash wash a uselessly-filthy back window enough that it is better than a streaky opaque mess, as I've had happen to the back window on fair…

Subaru does it this way. The rear window defrost has a higher density of heating wire around the camera, so on a frosty morning, it clears up very fast

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by dgan »

chgs wrote: post #52
dgan wrote: post #39

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>> all-electric quadricycle that will be offered on subscription or long-term leases only Lol finally! Auto industry catching up with the latest and greatest software trend!

Leasing cars has been quite normal for decades. I remember being taken in a leased company car to the game shop to buy transport tycoon once. Not transport tycoon deluxe, the original transport tycoon.

Yea, i am mostly rambling about the "only" part

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by troupo »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #24
troupo wrote: post #5

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Apart from dirt, rain, snow, sleet, dust... mechanical and electrical failures, software errors...

It’s a mirror, not a a steering wheel (which has been hybrid-electronic well over a decade and purely electronic since cybertruck)

It's not a mirror. They are replacing it with a camera. Which, as any vehicle camera ever, will be susceptible to everything described.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by troupo »

paradox460 wrote: post #74
NoPicklez wrote: post #2

Whilst it feels strange initially and I caught myself thinking why? Most car reverse cameras for 360 degree cameras provide very good visibility outside of the rear of the car. I don't necessarily see the problem with having a rear windscreen, but that's up to the buyer

My recent model Subaru Ascent came with a "smart mirror". When enabled, the rear view mirror is actually a display, showing a view of what a rear camera, mounted high in the rear window, sees. This is not the backup camera, it's got one of those too, down by the license plate. At first I had a little bit of skepticism. I figured it would be useful when the back is full of cargo or whatever, but limited beyond that. A…

How do you deal with grime, dirt, rain, snow?

The rear view cameras on cars I've driven are often useless even in parking scenarios because of that.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by troupo »

noufalibrahim wrote: post #25
ssl-3 wrote: post #12

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Counterpoints: I can't see shit out of the back window without some work on my part on many cold mornings ( with electric defrost), but a tiny little camera-heater could be both fast and efficient (which is more important for EVs). I can wipe a small camera lens off faster than I cash wash a uselessly-filthy back window enough that it is better than a streaky opaque mess, as I've had happen to the back window on fair…

I can't think of many real negatives. Since I got a parking camera in my car, I don't use the rear view mirror at all during parking. If there is some way I can get more accurate information about the blind spots around my car (and this camera seems to be one such thing), I'd much prefer that. There will be cleaning and electronics problems but every technology comes with its own set of issues. The only thing I can t…

> I can't think of many real negatives. Since I got a parking camera in my car, I don't use the rear view mirror at all during parking.

I can see those negatives every time in rain, dirt, snow...

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by tetris11 »

pjc50 wrote: post #72
unixhero wrote: post #61

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Wow youre missing out, car is such a fundamental freedom enabler - of movement

In a big city, a car is a massive impediment as you have to find somewhere to put it. Every five years or so I forget this and drive into London for something and immediately regret it.

one does not simply drive in to London, one drives sunwise or widdershins to it.
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