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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by Sparyjerry »

Lendal wrote: post #35
glitchc wrote: post #4

About time.

I had a feeling this was coming. I bought FSD in 2020. It was $10K, and they were claiming in one year you could summon the car to come to you from across town or rent it out as a self-driving taxi service. I figured it might work, and in the meantime would be a fun toy, so I bought into it as a speculation. On an individual basis this was just poor judgement on my part, but when you multiply that by how many other c…

None of those claims were claims by them, they were claims you hoped for. If you look at what was actually said it was all at random interview or podcasts, rarely if ever even at a Tesla release or event. PLus it was all "I Think.." if you want to fault a CEO for being optimistic, literally every CEO in the world should be in jail. Do you know how many "World's Best Burger" restaurants there are? The only actual claims that could be considered valid are those by the website when the purchase of the car was actually taking place, which promised exactly none of that.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by misiti3780 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #59
misiti3780 wrote: post #54

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agree, half the people in this thread havnt used it. i think it's probably clear to most FSD testers that end-to-end NN trained on video will get you L5 eventually.

I've used it (this weekend, in fact). It's very impressive. It remains a far cry from this, which Musk tweeted ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 ) eight years ago: > In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY.

agreed. so his prediction was wrong. who cares. think about how much has changed in AI in the past 1.5 years. The timeline is off, but Tesla will achieve autonomy first.

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Post by windexh8er »

Sparyjerry wrote: post #180
windexh8er wrote: post #170

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By this reasoning it would be OK for a car company to market a car with an automatic transmission, yet the clutch was still required to be used on gear changes at delivery. You paid a large premium for the automatic clutch as was marketed by the CEO of the company to be delivered "next year". This claim you bought into was now made over 8 years ago and what the CEO stated has still not been delivered. Your car now ha…

This doesn't seem fraudulent, FSD was an additional optional feature you didn't have to buy not a required featured. Then when you bought it there was plenty of disclaimer about how there is no timeline for release. So your claiming that because the CEO said something at random speech - that was technically correct anyways, that apparently that overrides all of the disclaimers you have to sign when actually buying th…

You also had the option to not buy automatic transmissions for a lot of time automobiles have been sold. The example is relevant.

I think you're misunderstanding that Elon has not made this statement just once. He's literally said it every year multiple times per year and he still has not delivered. At this point it truly is fraudulent.

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Post by nhfhsjs »

Sparyjerry wrote: post #176
_akhe wrote: post #122

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Elon "take-n-tank" Musk the brand destroyer lol I have an even funnier one for you: That viral video of when he was bald and bought that very expensive McLaren... "It's the highlight of my life" he said shortly before totaling the car with no insurance. "He's a genius!"

I'm always curious what caused you and other to hate Elon so much? I think when he bought Twitter and unbanned some conservatives?

Forget Twitter fuup because he made some bad decison and he is trying to build again

Forget pedo comments on diver because may be he tweeted in the heat of the moment

Forget blaming an engineer at spacex initial days for the launch failure and notacceptimg it later when the truth was known because may be he cares more about the company which is err...

Forget not taking seriously about Tesla safety and firing who brought attention because he genuinely thought it's really not a big deal.

But the following can never be forgiven. Considering the way he projects himself a savior of civilization.

He does not value other human life.

Hiring surrogate mother for his then girlfriends second* child. His probably 9th or 10th child.

How is this ethical. That too it's not like he doesnot have any children.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by Sparyjerry »

nhfhsjs wrote: post #184
Sparyjerry wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always curious what caused you and other to hate Elon so much? I think when he bought Twitter and unbanned some conservatives?

Forget Twitter fu up because he made some bad decison and he is trying to build again Forget pedo comments on diver because may be he tweeted in the heat of the moment Forget blaming an engineer at spacex initial days for the launch failure and notacceptimg it later when the truth was known because may be he cares more about the company which is err... Forget not taking seriously about Tesla safety and firing who bro…

Lets take those one at a time. So Twitter he fired a bunch of people and it works better than ever with more innovation. He called a guy a pedo who may be one and was talking smack way before Elon was. Maybe he misattributed some failure to someone? Okay, who hasn't done that? You say he went easy on Tesla safety.. with the cars with the best safety ratings of any car that exists.. still not getting it. You are mad he wants to save civilization also, okay... and that is bad again why? Because he is actually doing it by popularizing electric cars that can run on sustainable energy, or by giving internet to those who don't have it and could never have had it before? And supposedly you say he doesn't value human life, according to who? Why do you care how many children another person has, He has the money to have 10000 children and treat them all better than most millionaire children. Your question of "How is that ethical?" How is it not? You gave literally no reasons that don't scream an emotional attachent to hating him.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by nhfhsjs »

Sparyjerry wrote: post #185
nhfhsjs wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget Twitter fu up because he made some bad decison and he is trying to build again Forget pedo comments on diver because may be he tweeted in the heat of the moment Forget blaming an engineer at spacex initial days for the launch failure and notacceptimg it later when the truth was known because may be he cares more about the company which is err... Forget not taking seriously about Tesla safety and firing who bro…

Lets take those one at a time. So Twitter he fired a bunch of people and it works better than ever with more innovation. He called a guy a pedo who may be one and was talking smack way before Elon was. Maybe he misattributed some failure to someone? Okay, who hasn't done that? You say he went easy on Tesla safety.. with the cars with the best safety ratings of any car that exists.. still not getting it. You are mad h…

I should have been clearer. Sorry about that. My point is you can ignore everything but not hiring the surrogate mother.

It's not justified as he has plenty of kids and it's unethical because the mother does not get to see the kid ever. Not saying it's illegal. If you don't see any problem in it, then I have nothing to say.

I was a huge hero worshipper of Elon until I learn d about the surrogacy. He is just like any other rich ass hole.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by iknowstuff »

nhfhsjs wrote: post #186
Sparyjerry wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets take those one at a time. So Twitter he fired a bunch of people and it works better than ever with more innovation. He called a guy a pedo who may be one and was talking smack way before Elon was. Maybe he misattributed some failure to someone? Okay, who hasn't done that? You say he went easy on Tesla safety.. with the cars with the best safety ratings of any car that exists.. still not getting it. You are mad h…

I should have been clearer. Sorry about that. My point is you can ignore everything but not hiring the surrogate mother. It's not justified as he has plenty of kids and it's unethical because the mother does not get to see the kid ever. Not saying it's illegal. If you don't see any problem in it, then I have nothing to say. I was a huge hero worshipper of Elon until I learn d about the surrogacy. He is just like any…

tf are you talking about. Nothing unethical about surrogacy, it’s all between consenting adults.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by MisterDizzy »

jcranmer wrote: post #105
MisterDizzy wrote: post #18

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A lot of people are really defensive about this. What's the big deal if X does well? Why are people so personally invested in pretending like Elon didn't do the world a huge service by removing Twitter from the control of possibly the most politically extreme and anti-constitutional subculture in the entire country?

> the control of possibly the most politically extreme and anti-constitutional subculture in the entire country? What are you trying to refer to here? Because the most politically extreme and anti-constitutional subculture I can think of right now is QAnon, which has not (nor is not) in control of Twitter.

Ever been to San Francisco? Portland? Seattle?

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Post by robertjpayne »

Sparyjerry wrote: post #177
api wrote: post #64

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It's advanced cruise control, basically, and if advertised as such it'd be great.

That was auto-pilot. FSD literally does what it says, if the government didn't require you to be attentive you wouldn't have to be.

If you value your life you won't let a Tesla ever drive you without paying attention the entire time.
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