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Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Why would anyone use chatgpt if it spams you? The second it recommends me a product i'm issuing a chargeback.

> Why would anyone use chatgpt if it spams you? Google would suggest people have an incredibly high threshold for such shenanigans

i never understand how people use the internet without adblockers, it's a totall different experience. do they just not value their time and mental bandwidth at all? same thing for people who watch TV with commercials every 8 minutes

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OpenAI's problem is demonstrating how much value their tools add to a worker's productivity. However calculating how much value a worker has in an organization is already a mostly unsolved problem for humanity, so it is no surprise that even if a tool 5xs human productivity, the makers of the tool will have serious problems demonstrating the tool's value.

Since 1987, labour productivity has doubled[1]. A 5x increase would be immediately obvious. If a tool were able to increase productivity on that scale, it would lift every human out of poverty. It'd probably move humanity into a post-scarcity species. 5x is "by Monday afternoon, staff have each done 40 pre-ai-equivalent-hours worth of work". [1] https://usafacts.org/articles/what-is-labor-productivity-and...

But how do you measure labour productivity.

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it seems like a lot of people retain an obligate negative reaction to any business decision OpenAI makes. If they avoid partnerships they’re criticized for scraping the web and “stealing” people’s content. If they secure partnerships, they’re criticized for prioritizing the viewpoints of their partners, over what is implied as an unbiased “web corpus” that is invariably a composite of the “stolen” data they were held to the fire for scraping in the first place.

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> Why would anyone use chatgpt if it spams you? Google would suggest people have an incredibly high threshold for such shenanigans

i never understand how people use the internet without adblockers, it's a totall different experience. do they just not value their time and mental bandwidth at all ? same thing for people who watch TV with commercials every 8 minutes

I also don't understand it, but have been lectured by people many times about how unethical it is to block ads and how doing so makes one a "free rider". I wonder if they also feel the same way if they look the other way when they notice a billboard ad on the motorway. This stockholm-syndrome w.r. to big companies goes a long way.

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Which is arguably even more insidious.

So an ad at the end of text is worse than one embedded in the answer? Care to explain why?

You'll probably end up with both.

But with an ending advert, you can finish up with a reference leading to a sponsored source linking to sponsored content which leads to another ending advert.

If the advert text is in embedded, you cannot do such.

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This reeks of the "manic charlie smoking a cig in front of a pinboard" meme

I'd gladly appoint Pepe Silvia to the board of OpenAI. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nTpsv9PNqo

Were you referring to the first or second time Altman was fired for self dealing.

Calm down dude, we’ve already been fired.

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At least, Google followed some vague moral principles when they started.

Allowed them to kind of try to sort of do the right thing for their users for 10+ years before they finally gave in and switched to being run by the standard team of psychopaths for whom only the next quarter bottom line matters.

OTOH, OpenAI seems to be rotten to the core on day one, this is going to be loads of fun!

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Its not just the big companies you have to think about, lol. Sure you can sue OpenAI. But will you be able to sue every single AI startup that happens to be working on Open Source AI tech, that was all trained this way? Absolutely not. Its simply not feasible. The cat is out of the bag.

The US government has worked hard to make the lives of copyright infringers miserable for years, even driving them to suicide.

> The US government has worked hard to make the lives of copyright infringers miserable for years

They really have not. The fact that I can download any movie in the world right now, and use all of the open source models on my home PC proves that.

I am sure there are some random one off cases of infringers being punished, but it mostly doesn't happen.

Especially if we are talking about the entire tech industry.

The government isn't going to shutdown every single tech startup in the US. Because they are all using these open source AI models.

The government isn't going to be able to confiscate everyone's gamer PCs. The weights can already be run locally.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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People here seem to treat this like advertising, because it kinda sounds familiar to advertising. I’m as critical of ClosedAI as the next guy, but let’s think that idea through: OpenAI are the ones paying the content provider for exposure, not the other way around. In return they get training data. The only reason for OpenAI to do this is if it makes their models better in some way so that they can monetize that perf…

> People here seem to treat this like advertising, because it kinda sounds familiar to advertising.

Because it is.

Whether or not OpenAI pays the publisher or the publisher pays OpenAI, it's still an agreement to "help ChatGPT users more easily discover and engage with publishers’ brands and content". In this case, the publisher "pays" in the form of giving OpenAI their data in return for OpenAI putting product placement into their responses.

That's advertising, no matter how you slice it.

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