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Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by beeboobaa3 »

stale2002 wrote: post #25
beeboobaa3 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI has presumably already ingested and trained on these publishers’ archival data So they're admitting to copyright violations and theft?

No, they have not done that. Presumably they believe that the model training was done in fair use and no court has said otherwise yet. It will take years for that stuff to settle out in court, and by that time none of that will matter, and the winners of the AI race will be those who didn't wait for this question to be settled.

They believe a lot of things, I'm sure.

> and the winners of the AI race will be those who didn't wait for this question to be settled.

Hopefully they'll be in jail.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by itishappy »

shoggouth wrote: post #116
boringg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was anyone expecting anything else? AI is going to follow a similar path to the internet -- embedded ads since it will need to fund itself and revenue path is very far from clearcut. Brands that get it on the earliest training in large volume will have benefits accrued over the long term.

So you see the marketing point of ChatGPT to be conversational ads?

They're offering an expensive service for free. Could it go any other way?

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Post by sorokod »

kadushka wrote: post #147
mvkel wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta pay for all that compute somehow. It's not what users want, it's what users will accept. Many precedents have been set here, unfortunately.

I'd prefer to pay for no-ad version.

Why would you be offered this option?

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Post by int_19h »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #94
int_19h wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason is that GPT-4 is still significantly better than everything else. Time will tell if OpenAI will be able to retain the lead in the race, though. While there's no public competing model with equal power yet, competitors are definitely much closer than they were before, and keep advancing. But, of course, GPT-5 might be another major leap.

That's not true really. With well written prompts GPT4 is better at some things and worse at others than Claude/Llama3. GPT4 only appears to be the best by a wide margin if your benchmark suite is vague, poorly specified prompts and your metric for evaluation is "did it guess what I wanted accurately"

My benchmark is giving it novel (i.e. guaranteed to not be in the training set) logical puzzles that require actual reasoning ability, and seeing how it performs.

By that benchmark, GPT-4 significantly outperforms both LLaMA 3 and Claude in my personal experience.

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Post by sangnoir »

npollock wrote: post #34

OpenAI gets the data it needs, and publishers get prominent placement in the product: "PPP members will see their content receive its “richer brand expression” through a series of content display products: the branded hover link, the anchored link and the in-line treatment." There's some similarity to the search business model

> There's some similarity to the search business model

There's a reason why Google's best years were when search was firewalled from ads and revenue.

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Post by devbent »

boringg wrote: post #102
samfriedman wrote: post #29

>Additionally, members of the program receive priority placement and “richer brand expression” in chat conversations, and their content benefits from more prominent link treatments. Finally, through PPP, OpenAI also offers licensed financial terms to publishers. This is what a lot of people pushing for open models fear - responses of commercial models will be biased based on marketing spend.

Was anyone expecting anything else? AI is going to follow a similar path to the internet -- embedded ads since it will need to fund itself and revenue path is very far from clearcut. Brands that get it on the earliest training in large volume will have benefits accrued over the long term.

OpenAI's problem is demonstrating how much value their tools add to a worker's productivity.

However calculating how much value a worker has in an organization is already a mostly unsolved problem for humanity, so it is no surprise that even if a tool 5xs human productivity, the makers of the tool will have serious problems demonstrating the tool's value.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

neonsunset wrote: post #131
torpfactory wrote: post #128

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It's worse than that: > Me: Give me a small sample code in Ruby that takes two parameters and returns the Levenshtein distance between them. > ChatGPT: > But here is some C# code that is faster. For tasks like this a lot of programmers are using C#, you wouldn't want to get left behind.

For now it's more likely to do the opposite. Communities like HN do seem to like fringe and questionable languages like Ruby a lot to their own detriment. And that is, naturally, a part of dataset.

Yeah, but then even open source models optimize for popular languages; I recall one explicitly mentioning being trained for ~top 16 or so languages in Stack Overflow developer survey. Good for my C++ dayjob, if I could use one of them; bad for my occasional after-work Lisping.

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Post by ericskiff »

itishappy wrote: post #162
shoggouth wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you see the marketing point of ChatGPT to be conversational ads?

They're offering an expensive service for free. Could it go any other way?

Counterpoint - I pay for my whole team to have access, shared tools, etc. we also spend a decent amount on their APIs across a number of client projects.

OpenAI has a strong revenue model based on paid use

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by sunaookami »

kadushka wrote: post #147
mvkel wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta pay for all that compute somehow. It's not what users want, it's what users will accept. Many precedents have been set here, unfortunately.

I'd prefer to pay for no-ad version.

You will instead need to pay and see ads at the same time!
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