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Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by neonsunset »

torpfactory wrote: post #128
pelagicAustral wrote: post #46

So soon enough we'll get stuff like: > Me: Give me a small sample code in Ruby that takes two parameters and returns the Levenshtein distance between them. > ChatGPT: DID YOU HEAR ABOUT C#? It's even faster that light, now with better performance than Ruby!!! Get started here: https://ms.com/cs I can generate the code in Ruby or I can give you 20% discount on Microsoft publishing on any C# book!!!

It's worse than that: > Me: Give me a small sample code in Ruby that takes two parameters and returns the Levenshtein distance between them. > ChatGPT: > But here is some C# code that is faster. For tasks like this a lot of programmers are using C#, you wouldn't want to get left behind.

For now it's more likely to do the opposite. Communities like HN do seem to like fringe and questionable languages like Ruby a lot to their own detriment. And that is, naturally, a part of dataset.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by pelagicAustral »

neonsunset wrote: post #125
bombcar wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it's now a division of Pearson: https://www.microsoftpressstore.com/store/browse/coming-soon

(unrelated but if you do want to buy a book on C#, get Pro .NET Memory Management, Konrad Kokosa is really good, also works as a systems programming primer on memory in general, do not get the books from microsoft press)

What about that 20% tho'...

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by gosub100 »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #46

So soon enough we'll get stuff like: > Me: Give me a small sample code in Ruby that takes two parameters and returns the Levenshtein distance between them. > ChatGPT: DID YOU HEAR ABOUT C#? It's even faster that light, now with better performance than Ruby!!! Get started here: https://ms.com/cs I can generate the code in Ruby or I can give you 20% discount on Microsoft publishing on any C# book!!!

That's the not so subtle hint. The underhanded way would be "since you asked for a suboptimal form, this is the best I can do", thereby prompting you to ask what the "best" way is.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by barbariangrunge »

nwsm wrote: post #56
Jerrrry wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blur, summarize, anonymize, convert to bitmap/PNG, release. edit: i am aware it is literally impossible to release information without the remote chance of whistle-sniping. the then only logical conclusion reached from such a defeatist extreme attitude threat model is to then assume that all stories and information are false flags distributed to find moles. the decks themselves are surely water-marked in ways clevere…

Literally anything in the document could out them. Color, font, word choice, numbers, etc. OpenAI fired two researchers this year for leaking information, likely watermarked resources. OpenAI takes this seriously

Sounds like the actions of a truly open ai company

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by airstrike »

chx wrote: post #87
darby_eight wrote: post #39

Why would anyone use chatgpt if it spams you? The second it recommends me a product i'm issuing a chargeback.

The right question is "Why would anyone use chatgpt". The answer is https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/112006855076082650 > You might be surprised to learn that I actually think LLMs have the potential to be not only fun but genuinely useful. “Show me some bullshit that would be typical in this context” can be a genuinely helpful question to have answered, in code and in natural language — for brainstorming, for seeing…

That's overall a very, very good thread. Thanks for linking

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by warkdarrior »

swader999 wrote: post #111
jstummbillig wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I reject the framing. We can't have it both ways. If we want model makers to license content they will pick and chose a) the licensing model and b) their partners, in a way, that they think makes a superior model. This will always be an exclusive process.

I think we need to separate licensing and promotion. They have wildly different outcomes. Licensing is cool, it's part of the recipe. Promoting something above its legitimate weight is akin to collusion or buying up amazon reviews without earning them.

That's just pushes up the cost of licensing.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by joe_the_user »

boringg wrote: post #102
samfriedman wrote: post #29

>Additionally, members of the program receive priority placement and “richer brand expression” in chat conversations, and their content benefits from more prominent link treatments. Finally, through PPP, OpenAI also offers licensed financial terms to publishers. This is what a lot of people pushing for open models fear - responses of commercial models will be biased based on marketing spend.

Was anyone expecting anything else? AI is going to follow a similar path to the internet -- embedded ads since it will need to fund itself and revenue path is very far from clearcut. Brands that get it on the earliest training in large volume will have benefits accrued over the long term.

Was anyone expecting anything else?

It's the logical thing but no everyone is going to be thinking that far ahead.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by elorant »

shoggouth wrote: post #116
boringg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was anyone expecting anything else? AI is going to follow a similar path to the internet -- embedded ads since it will need to fund itself and revenue path is very far from clearcut. Brands that get it on the earliest training in large volume will have benefits accrued over the long term.

So you see the marketing point of ChatGPT to be conversational ads?

The ads don't need to be conversational, they could be just references at the end of the answer.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by phatfish »

_boffin_ wrote: post #97
pelagicAustral wrote: post #46

So soon enough we'll get stuff like: > Me: Give me a small sample code in Ruby that takes two parameters and returns the Levenshtein distance between them. > ChatGPT: DID YOU HEAR ABOUT C#? It's even faster that light, now with better performance than Ruby!!! Get started here: https://ms.com/cs I can generate the code in Ruby or I can give you 20% discount on Microsoft publishing on any C# book!!!

i became more and more repulsed as i read your comment. I felt myself twitch towards the end of it.

I can see running a local less resource intensive LLM trained to strip out marketing spiel from the text delivered by the more powerful cloud service LLM being a possibility.

Re: Leaked deck reveals how OpenAI is pitching publisher partnerships

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Post by causal »

_hl_ wrote: post #100

People here seem to treat this like advertising, because it kinda sounds familiar to advertising. I’m as critical of ClosedAI as the next guy, but let’s think that idea through: OpenAI are the ones paying the content provider for exposure, not the other way around. In return they get training data. The only reason for OpenAI to do this is if it makes their models better in some way so that they can monetize that perf…

I am in favor of AI companies trying to source material responsibly, and if I'm reading this right OpenAI will actually be compensating the publishes to use their content. So this isn't adspace yet.

That said, giving publishers "richer brand expression" certainly injects financial incentives into the outputs people trust coming from ChatGPT.

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