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Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by darby_eight »

blackhawkC17 wrote: post #32

I feel this factor plays a huge role in rich/upper middle class/upper-class people staying rich or growing richer. Kids that grow up upper-class imitate their parent’s approach to work and life in general, giving them an upper-hand. Many poor kids are very smart and capable but end up imitating bad examples early on, making them handicapped. One of the best things a disadvantaged kid can get is a good role model. Doe…

This implies one's being upper class is a reflection of having better habits than the poor, which is incorrect. They just have more money. Rich people could not survive poverty.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by pavlov »

throwaway924385 wrote: post #30
whimsicalism wrote: post #17

It seems that this is a taboo topic to discuss oftentimes (especially academically), despite the fact that most people I meet seem to have an intuitive understanding that kids are often like parents. It also provides compelling alternate explanations for things like 'children of abusive parents are more likely to abuse' that you also are not really allowed to discuss nowadays.

Why aren't you allowed to discuss it?

It’s become a very tiresome rhetorical technique: “Listen to me yammer on vaguely but at length about a thing that I pretend I’m not allowed to talk about despite literally doing that right now”

Whatever aura of mystery and suspense this may have once imbued is long gone by now.

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Post by mjburgess »

mucle6 wrote: post #26
mjburgess wrote: post #19

For those who arent aware, this entire field is largely pseudoscience; though this paper goes out of its way to be fairly sincere in its modelling, it's still just nonesense methodologically. The correlation coefficient is not a measure of correlation, but of co-linearity, and coefficients the entire system of computing correlation coefficients is bunk if the data is nonlinear. Almost all interesting phenomena outsid…

Can you share some resources or topics to research for someone who doesn't know what a weak effect or co-linearity? If I google those topics, I don't know if I'll find anything relating to a criticism of this field.

Specifically for the area mentioned: https://gwern.net/doc/genetics/heritable/2015-burt.pdf

But if you want a general criticism of these academic linear methods of observational analysis: https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.10488

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by Xirgil »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #29

Some of the comments here are quite baffling for me to read. Of course I'm like my parents. I'm completely made up of their genetic material and for my formative years I spent almost all of my time with them. I've never considered this to be taboo either, it's bloody obvious. Is there some sort of hidden context here I'm not getting?

You really don't understand why nature/genetics having a large impact on people's personality, thus behavior, and thus life outcomes is taboo?

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by NetBeck »

blackhawkC17 wrote: post #32

I feel this factor plays a huge role in rich/upper middle class/upper-class people staying rich or growing richer. Kids that grow up upper-class imitate their parent’s approach to work and life in general, giving them an upper-hand. Many poor kids are very smart and capable but end up imitating bad examples early on, making them handicapped. One of the best things a disadvantaged kid can get is a good role model. Doe…

>It is estimated that 70% of wealthy families will lose their wealth by the second generation and 90% will lose it by the third.[0]

[0] https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/generational-wealth%3A-why-d...

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by whimsicalism »

pavlov wrote: post #43
throwaway924385 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren't you allowed to discuss it?

It’s become a very tiresome rhetorical technique: “Listen to me yammer on vaguely but at length about a thing that I pretend I’m not allowed to talk about despite literally doing that right now” Whatever aura of mystery and suspense this may have once imbued is long gone by now.

"It's not taboo because people can discuss it anonymously on an internet forum" is not quite the compelling argument that you seem to think it is.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #43
throwaway924385 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren't you allowed to discuss it?

It’s become a very tiresome rhetorical technique: “Listen to me yammer on vaguely but at length about a thing that I pretend I’m not allowed to talk about despite literally doing that right now” Whatever aura of mystery and suspense this may have once imbued is long gone by now.

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Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by em-bee »

alistairSH wrote: post #12
crmd wrote: post #5

The big difference seems to come from self-reporting vs independent reporting. In other words, people around you think your personality is more similar to your dad’s than you think it is.

As I grow older, the number of "oh shit, I sound like my dad" moments grows exponentially. Good thing people seem to like him - if he was a gigantic ass, I'd be in trouble. ;)

same here. once i had children i recognized some of the behavior traits of how my dad treated me and my siblings. the difficult ones are the ones done unconsciously. i didn't recognize some until i saw my own kids repeating them. my wife also at one point recognized behaviors she learned from her parents. this recognition helped us both to better understand each other and accept our respective quirks.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Post by anovikov »

darby_eight wrote: post #41
blackhawkC17 wrote: post #32

I feel this factor plays a huge role in rich/upper middle class/upper-class people staying rich or growing richer. Kids that grow up upper-class imitate their parent’s approach to work and life in general, giving them an upper-hand. Many poor kids are very smart and capable but end up imitating bad examples early on, making them handicapped. One of the best things a disadvantaged kid can get is a good role model. Doe…

This implies one's being upper class is a reflection of having better habits than the poor, which is incorrect. They just have more money. Rich people could not survive poverty.

This. I've seen enough people of all walks of life to say: the key difference between rich and poor is just that: having money. There's nothing wrong with that. Money is morally neutral just as the class is.
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