Unsurprisingly, it's an old airframe (built 1994), operated by a state-owned African carrier: rarely a recipe for good maintenance. It's quite unlikely that Boeing is in any way to blame for this. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/387749
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.
Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal
#53Unsurprisingly, it's an old airframe (built 1994), operated by a state-owned African carrier: rarely a recipe for good maintenance. It's quite unlikely that Boeing is in any way to blame for this. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/387749
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Sure there are many Cessna type planes flying that are much older than that, and often used for more hours - but those planes have different materials with different fatigue characteristics and can be used that long. This is a 737 which is not expected to last that long.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.
The second 737 Max crash was also an African airline, and the same accusations were floating around right after the crash. Let's better wait for the investigation results before speculating.
There is no reason to suspect Boeing is at fault here. Boeing does have lots of problems to correct, but that doesn't mean they are to blame for everything.
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#55Unsurprisingly, it's an old airframe (built 1994), operated by a state-owned African carrier: rarely a recipe for good maintenance. It's quite unlikely that Boeing is in any way to blame for this. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/387749
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Certainly, age is not the only factor. Flight hours and cycles matter as well when evaluating condition.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Airlines are strictly regulated by Boeing/Airbus/western institutions, this airlines wouldnt be able to fly to safe countries if their airplanes didnt pass regular official certifications, Boeing and Airbus provide that. The same way as pilots are certified by boeing and airbus to fly their planes
It seems you missed the stories about Boeing using parts made of low quality materials and that the whistleblowers died under mysterious circumstances.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d probably have used “skids off runway” or “leaves runway” instead of “crashes”. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-68886071.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42680238.amp
And the referencing the essentially unrelated Max production issues in an article about the fairly routine case of a 30 year old aircraft in a developing country experiencing issues which might be related to maintenance is probably more egregious. It's like suggesting that the stakes in whatever the latest Microsoft scandal is have been raised by someone installing malware on their XP system
I agree this story is a red herring. By and large 737s preceding the MAX variants had a rather amazing reputation, which is part of the reason 737s are so ubiquitous.
The issues today are that the MAX planes are enough different than the previous planes, that they should have likely been sold as a different product with different training. And the second issue is the erosion of Boeing's formerly engineer-led culture through various business / regulatory shenanigans such as outsourcing and self-oversight.
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#58> injuring 11 people, four of them severely (no fatalities)
From the description of the crash either there were some unbelted passengers or the injuries were from people falling off of the emergency exit slide.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Boeing designs from 1994 are not the ones that have been in the news for design and manufacturing problems. Boeings built in 1994 are not generally falling out of the sky. They don't have MCAS. They don't have plug doors mis-installed. Yes, that's not that old. But 30-year-old airframes have 30 years of maintenance, and by then, the maintenance aspects start to predominate over the design aspects as a cause of crashe…
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/24650-boeing-737-rudder-i...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues
https://www.flightglobal.com/pilots-get-guidance-on-new-737-...
And some recent rudder related issues on 737 Max
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/ntsb-...
Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.
Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.