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Good stuff, like the AI approach to this. On Jira, I keep hearing the criticism of Jira on this forum a lot, but IMO it's not that bad product. Jira is used by all industries, not just by software management. Making a tool has to be a "silver bullet" for managing any kind of project is not easy. Tell me a better PM tool which is as widely used as Jira.

We agree to it that JIRA is an elephant. It's also not gonna be an easy journey for us and we are all in for the long journey.

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I'd love a local-first software that stores issue data on Git itself. Does something like that exist? Kind of like Fossil's ticket management, but based on Git.

Very curious, in our understanding we thought the companies don't really have the time to spend their engineering bandwidth on project management. How do you think providing such an architecture can help?

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post #56

Good stuff, like the AI approach to this. On Jira, I keep hearing the criticism of Jira on this forum a lot, but IMO it's not that bad product. Jira is used by all industries, not just by software management. Making a tool has to be a "silver bullet" for managing any kind of project is not easy. Tell me a better PM tool which is as widely used as Jira.

It's been over 10 years since I last used Jira, but I still miss a lot of it. Where I saw it become a problem was that over time it accumulated layers and layers of people messing with it, especially as the company went through a phase of hiring project managers with a need to mark their territory by changing all of the workflows. What started out as a relatively lightweight tool used by the engineers to organize their work became a convoluted mess.

To be fair, that's not unique to Jira, and I certainly can't say I haven't put my own fingers in that pie.

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> Despite drawing inspiration from Linear, we built everything from scratch. If I was to reimplement Excel from scratch but make it look like Excel, Microsoft would still sue the shit out of me.

LibreOffice exists, doesn't it? In particular, Calc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice_Calc WPS Office is even more similar in some ways: https://www.wps.com/office/spreadsheet/ FreeOffice is also pretty much like Excel: https://www.freeoffice.com/en/features/freeoffice-planmaker OfficeSuite feels like a carbon copy: https://officesuite.com/en/sheets There's also a variety of online offerings, yet someone eve…

Those are not exact copies of the interface we're discussing here. You're basically saying that all of the work on https://dribble.com/ for example, is royalty free and I can copy whatever I see there and make it my own? In what world are you living in?

Similarities in the layout, flow and overall architecture are fine, this is how you build directions in design. But you take the concept and you tweak it so that there are visible differences. Let's take Slack and Discord for example - I don't know who was first but you can see similarities, however one is not a rip off another. Same with Linear, I think it was inspired by Jira but you definitely cannot say they took it as an example.

The case discussed here is that Tegon copied Linear's interface design (colors, icons, spacings, layout, widgets, etc) almost in a pixel perfect manner, they didn't even bother with introducing their own tweaks found through user feedback. It's a copy and added >we're focusing on AI aspect and don't want to reinvent the wheel< This is not right.

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> Despite drawing inspiration from Linear, we built everything from scratch. If I was to reimplement Excel from scratch but make it look like Excel, Microsoft would still sue the shit out of me.

On what grounds? Do they have a patent on spreadsheet-looking interfaces? It leaves a bit of a bad taste IMO to blatantly copy a startup that’s working its ass off to create a good product and then releasing it as open source, but I have a hard time imagining you can make this legal. Not a lawyer though.

Copyright infringement based on Copyright law.

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While I can detect that perhaps you don’t feel like this is a useful feature, this is absolutely a legitimate and useful feature. I use it literally every day with Linear. With Linear you can make a ticket in Slack by clicking the … and selecting “make linear ticket”, which gens out a ticket that summarizes the title using AI and pulls in the conversation that you genned it out from, including future updates. The ai…

Imo thinking about the title actually helps you to get a clearer view of the problem

What about the dozens of people on the team that don't/won't do that? It's not just engineer/technician who write bug.

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There's a ludicrous aspect to software development, which is if you ask around about early uses of computers you'll run into lots of people doing critical path analysis for other industries, yet we have persisted in pretending software development is somehow unique and does not actually work like this. The whole idea humans should be prioritizing tasks has been wrong from the start, and indicates a lack of the right…

Any helpful links to further reading on this? It sounds interesting. I'm sure some of the ludicroucity you're seeing is to do with the wide diversity of companies and industries software developers work in.

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Aren't you afraid of a potential lawsuit from Linear[1]? Your interface looks like a copy paste. Dont get me wrong, it's amazing what you've build but cloning a well funded startup may not be the best strategy. 1 https://linear.app

Lawsuit under what law? The general design of a user interface is not copyrightable, although the assets are. If it was sufficiently distinctive it could be protected with a trademark.

This is not a "general design", it's almost a pixel perfect clone. The law is: copyright law, it doesn't have to be protected with a trademark since UI design is an "artistic work" hence protected by copyright law by design. The Linear company owns the copyright law that was transferred to them during the work of a UI designer.
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