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'Underwater bicycle' propels swimmers forward at superhuman speed

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Re: 'Underwater bicycle' propels swimmers forward at superhuman speed

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I swim because I enjoy it, not because I'm trying to get somewhere fast. This seems awkward and I bet you have to use your arms just to counterbalance the twist you'd get on each 'stroke' of the leg. So even though I think it's goofy, I bet I'd like whoever came up with this. Someone who put a ton of effort into building something they thought would be interesting despite a thousand people telling them it's goofy. Go…

Personally I hate swimming though I kind of like being in water, moving. So I'd definitely benefit from this, if it worked etc.

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> French company Seabike They have a .fr domain and a showroom in Cannes, France but the company is headquarted in Italy: PARITET SRL, Via Giovanni da Cermenate 3, 22063 Cantù (CO) Italy Also, the French version of the website is riddled with enormous errors, like "For traveling light" translated as "Pour voyager lumière", which does not make any sense and isn't even grammatically correct (the proper translation woul…

What, you don't like to travel bright?

Re: 'Underwater bicycle' propels swimmers forward at superhuman speed

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Ah shit your right, I had in mind 500 (yard) Free. 500 meters in under five is very good, but still attainable by the upper tier of highschool swimmers I think. I could reliably do 500 yards in under five and was a "B relay" tier on my team.

A couple things. 500m is not actually an event. The event is 400 meters, which is roughly 500 yards. And a yard pool will only be 25 yards, not 50. So yard times are "short course" and not really valid for serious competition. A 25-meter/yard pool has fewer turns making them faster, much faster in breaststroke. And a 500-yard in a 250meter pool will include one extra lap, one extra turn, than a 400m in a 25-meter poo…

This isn't a topic I know about, but wouldn't a 25-meter pool have more turns? But if that's a typo I can't see why stopping and turning would be a good thing?

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>You seem to assume that because this thing is faster, it must automatically be less enjoyable. The problem in this case is that the device is doing part of the swimming for you.

I don't understand how this is different than the running-bicycling example. How does this swim for you but a bicycle doesn't run for you?

Wait until they hear about wheelchair basketball.

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This device is US$310. Good carbon fins (the long ones for freediving) cost just a tiny bit more [1] and can also propel you at a superhuman speed. Plastic ones are even cheaper.

A speed comparison would have been nice. EDIT: it's already there: "This jigger, according to the manufacturers, makes you handily quicker than an equivalent swimmer with fins on."

[1] https://www.westmarine.com/mares-razor-carbon-dive-fins-41-1...

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A couple things. 500m is not actually an event. The event is 400 meters, which is roughly 500 yards. And a yard pool will only be 25 yards, not 50. So yard times are "short course" and not really valid for serious competition. A 25-meter/yard pool has fewer turns making them faster, much faster in breaststroke. And a 500-yard in a 250meter pool will include one extra lap, one extra turn, than a 400m in a 25-meter poo…

This isn't a topic I know about, but wouldn't a 25-meter pool have more turns? But if that's a typo I can't see why stopping and turning would be a good thing?

Meters are longer than yards, by about 8%. So 500yards is loosely about the same distance as 400 meters. But 500yards divides into ten 50-yards laps, or 20 lengths of the pool. With the dive and the finish, that is 19 turns. At each turn they push off the wall and for a few seconds move much faster than when swimming in open water and a greater percentage of time underwater (which is faster). And the swimmers center of gravity doesn't get as close to the wall during a turn, effectively shortening the distance actually swam on every lap ending in a turn. But a 400-meter race in a 25-meter pool (roughly the same distance as 500 yards) has only 8 laps or 16-lengths. It has only 15 turns, meaning four fewer accelerations off the wall and less time underwater. All of these effects change based on the stroke, speed and even size of the swimmers. So there is no good direct comparison between yard and meter pools.

And then an olympic pool is 50 meters long, meaning far fewer turns for a given distance. So "long course" times are generally slower than short course even at the same distance.

(Underwater is so much faster that swimming has rules about how far you can travel underwater during each length.)

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> I swim because I enjoy it, not because I'm trying to get somewhere fast. I run because I enjoy it, not because I’m trying to get somewhere fast. But I also bike because I enjoy it, not because I’m trying to get somewhere fast. You seem to assume that because this thing is faster, it must automatically be less enjoyable. That’s not the case for bikes, why should it be the case here? In my opinion it sounds fun, and…

Maybe not necessarily "faster" but there is an idea that adding any kind of technology should be avoided for recreational activities. For example, you can mountain bike with a fully-suspended e-bike, or you can struggle with a hardtail or even a road bike. Different kinds of fun, but in the former you'll wonder if it's the technology doing all the work.

It's all relative, right? Your running shoes are incredible technology. Run barefoot.

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I've been looking at propulsion options for my sailing dinghy. Electric is heavy, expensive and I'd like to be able to capsize at will. Something like Hobie's mirage drive would be cool but it's another hole in the hull. I also saw a hand cranked propeller with a 3:1 ratio but that would make steering with the other hand awkward. I think I'll have to stick to oars for now

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Maybe not necessarily "faster" but there is an idea that adding any kind of technology should be avoided for recreational activities. For example, you can mountain bike with a fully-suspended e-bike, or you can struggle with a hardtail or even a road bike. Different kinds of fun, but in the former you'll wonder if it's the technology doing all the work.

there is an idea that adding any kind of technology should be avoided for recreational activities How do you draw the line at "any kind of technology"? Isn't the bike itself "technology"? How about pneumatic tires? Or computer designed tread for optimal traction? Is a bike suspension too much technology? How about electric assist that can help you up a hill but won't propel the bike without you pedaling along with it…

Draw the line wherever you want, this isn't some kind of absolute theory of anything. Just that adding stuff to maximize your output isn't necessary to have fun.
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