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Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by rockfishroll »

petsfed wrote: post #60
chefandy wrote: post #52

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> I wonder if AI might actually be better than humans at sequencing these kinds of problems Probably a deeply unpopular take here, but without knowing anything about climbing routes, I'm gonna say no . I'm not saying that they won't have excellent quality output that might even solve problems that human output can't, but the process of creating something is meaningful, even commercially. Surely this will be useful in…

Well, the tricky bit here is that the route setter, a human, is the one actually solving the problem. So the problem as set is (and must be) a human creation first. This is especially true in outdoor climbing, where the first ascent process might involve the installation of anchor fixtures, or the removal of poorly-secured features for safety. You'd need some pretty wild sensor suites to correctly differentiate betwe…

Spotting a refugee from rockclimbing.com on hacker news was not on my bingo card for the day. But I guess if I'm here (writing novels about route setting) then I shouldn't be surprised other people are too.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by [deleted] »

party_possum wrote: post #42

Climbing route setting (when done at a high level) is constantly in conversation with itself. Many climbers don't realize that there are trends or fads in movement styles that sweep across the industry. This has only picked up steam in an era of social media. Just like movie dorks will happily spend hours explaining how an individual shot in a movie is actually an insider reference to another movie, and as a result a…

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Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by petsfed »

rockfishroll wrote: post #71
petsfed wrote: post #60

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Well, the tricky bit here is that the route setter, a human, is the one actually solving the problem. So the problem as set is (and must be) a human creation first. This is especially true in outdoor climbing, where the first ascent process might involve the installation of anchor fixtures, or the removal of poorly-secured features for safety. You'd need some pretty wild sensor suites to correctly differentiate betwe…

Spotting a refugee from rockclimbing.com on hacker news was not on my bingo card for the day. But I guess if I'm here (writing novels about route setting) then I shouldn't be surprised other people are too.

Outside of a short-lived usurper on instagram selling pet food dishes, I am still the only petsfed on the internet, since 1997.

What's really wild to me is how somebody would recognize a mid-tier poster from a website I thought effectively defunct for nearly 10 years now.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by petsfed »

ethbr1 wrote: post #70
petsfed wrote: post #60

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Well, the tricky bit here is that the route setter, a human, is the one actually solving the problem. So the problem as set is (and must be) a human creation first. This is especially true in outdoor climbing, where the first ascent process might involve the installation of anchor fixtures, or the removal of poorly-secured features for safety. You'd need some pretty wild sensor suites to correctly differentiate betwe…

> Embedded in your comment is the idea that AI might create boulder problems or routes in climbing gyms, and the human (or eventually robot) just follows that plan in bolting the holds to the wall. This would follow the exact path image GenAI evolved through. Step 1: Teach a model to recognize objects from noisy data. Step 2: Reverse-feed that model random noise and force it to hallucinate that noise back into likely…

Its certainly not impossible, but that physics simulation is the biggest obstacle that I can see.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by icpmacdo »

smandava wrote: post #5

Note: Will attach more example outputs and make a detailed document about how the model was built and the research behind it. If this is interesting to you, feel free to sign up to the waitlist on www.climbing.ai (and make sure to sign up for our Discord!) I originally planned on open sourcing the model, data, weights, and code. Only a few people (me and a couple friends) have access to the hosted model on the web ap…

I've been working on the same thing, there is an interesting quote from back in the day and its either make your program faster or wait 6 months for the computers to get faster. I look at it the same way now with Key Point Analysis and Pose Estimation libraries.

I think OSS is best for this category right now.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by lambdaone »

I'm sceptical about the usefulness of this for a number of reasons, including the points raised by others about hold recognition etc.

It's also difficult to see how the system would work out the 3D arrangement of holds. It can clearly try to infer 3D relationships from video of an existing climb, but it would be hard for it to work out the 3D position or orientation of any holds not used by the climber in the video.

These two put together make solving the climbing problem even more difficult, because appropriate body positions and moves are often very sensitive to even tiny differences in shape, relative position, and orientation of holds; and occluding volumes, arêtes, cracks and so can make the problem even harder.

But as a simplified demo, this is cool, and I salute it.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by lambdaone »

soperj wrote: post #39
sandworm101 wrote: post #33

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And this is deep into "sport climbing", borderline gym rat territory imho. It doesn't model all the other core aspects such as protection, rope management, exposure and rest stops. I imaging if you pointed this at a real cliff and recorded several assents it would quickly become a blurry-twitchy mess as all the movements not touching the rock spoiled the data. Maybe for bouldering, but not for real climbing.

What makes rope climbing "real"?

There are lots more variables to consider, particularly in lead climbing, even when you have a bolted route. And trad climbing is even more complex than that.

Re: Show HN: AI climbing coach – visualize how to climb any route based on your body

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Post by crazygringo »

et-al wrote: post #62
crazygringo wrote: post #56

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Right, but for people in their first couple of years of climbing, it can be really helpful to try to solve it, then see what the AI coach says, examine the diff, and thereby improve your solving and climbing skills. I have definitely discovered in my life that I learn probably 10x faster in situations where I can try something, and then immediately compare it with an expert solution. Rather than just trying and tryin…

With bouldering, the set of moves is fairly limited and what actually prevents someone from pulling harder comes down to flexibility, core strength, and contact strength.

OK, but the submission and conversation here isn't about bouldering.

This is about wall climbing where there's lots of choice for moves.

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