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Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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I’ve seen the same meme over and over again in many different youtube videos: Elon musk assuring self-driving is just around the corner, just another few months… The investigation doesn’t interest me much. He has gotten slaps on the wrist before. Wake me up when he gets jail time.

As someone with a tesla and with a parent who bought the fsd beta package, I’d be very interested if there’s some kind of payout for consumers/customers!

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Securities fraud again, funny that the guy who "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech ended up getting sued himself due to his own tweet (lying about # of Teslas being produced). It's like a bully trying to chase someone but tripping over their shoelace in the first step, love it. On self-driving: For several years the guy has been saying "next month" "next year" it's been like 10+ years at this point. He's a big…

> "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech

Citation needed. The platform is more open and vibrant than ever, even going so far as to reinstate free speech that old Twitter shut down at the request of the US government. If anything, he liberated free speech and it shows.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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This is about defrauding people who bought a tesla, not investors. > In 2020, Musk told a crowd in Shanghai that he remains “confident” that Tesla will achieve “basic functionality for level five autonomy this year,” referring to the SAE’s rankings of autonomy. Tesla’s technology, in 2024, is still at level 2. This reminds me alot of the Thernos case where she tried to make the case not about fraud but about an overl…

I purchased FSD in 2019 on the promise of self driving. 5 years later and still no self driving. There was also the promise of the car being able to self park. I would be happy if I got my money back for a feature that was never delivered.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the article explains, wire fraud is about defrauding consumers, and securities fraud is about deceiving investors. Tesla is under investigation for both.

Wire fraud is nowadays just a catch-all for "crime involving money". Regardless of all other specifics of the case, it is a certainty that at some point someone sent a text message or used a computer, so that's what the feds will go after. Ran a scammy crypto exchange out of the Bahamas? Took money from investors for a failed blood testing company? Raised money for a political campaign but spent it on hookers? Paid a…

And pretty much everything a public company does is securities fraud: [1]

To oversimplify, a company is required to disclose risks, and everything is a risk, so it's security fraud if it's not in the disclosure, or if it's misrepresented in the disclosure.

1: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Securities fraud again, funny that the guy who "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech ended up getting sued himself due to his own tweet (lying about # of Teslas being produced). It's like a bully trying to chase someone but tripping over their shoelace in the first step, love it. On self-driving: For several years the guy has been saying "next month" "next year" it's been like 10+ years at this point. He's a big…

> "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech Citation needed. The platform is more open and vibrant than ever, even going so far as to reinstate free speech that old Twitter shut down at the request of the US government. If anything, he liberated free speech and it shows.

> The platform is more open and vibrant than ever

You reveal your lack of experience with Twitter, it's declined a lot.

Pretty sure you can't even link to a tweet (a xweet?) from a news article or blog post - they totally killed the platform, not sure where you've been.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech Citation needed. The platform is more open and vibrant than ever, even going so far as to reinstate free speech that old Twitter shut down at the request of the US government. If anything, he liberated free speech and it shows.

> The platform is more open and vibrant than ever You reveal your lack of experience with Twitter, it's declined a lot. Pretty sure you can't even link to a tweet (a xweet?) from a news article or blog post - they totally killed the platform, not sure where you've been.

A lot of people are really defensive about this. What's the big deal if X does well? Why are people so personally invested in pretending like Elon didn't do the world a huge service by removing Twitter from the control of possibly the most politically extreme and anti-constitutional subculture in the entire country?

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Securities fraud again, funny that the guy who "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech ended up getting sued himself due to his own tweet (lying about # of Teslas being produced). It's like a bully trying to chase someone but tripping over their shoelace in the first step, love it. On self-driving: For several years the guy has been saying "next month" "next year" it's been like 10+ years at this point. He's a big…

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Absolutely. If Martha Stewart went to jail for much less, a certain CEO[1] should be doing some hard time for ludicrous claims over the past 8 years. Some back-of-the-napkin-math: If we focus on the 4m Model 3 (& Y) vehicles sold that had these claims attached and assume that there was a peak uptake rate of 46% declining to 11% as these claims became obviously untrue. On FSD @ an ever-increasing price of $6000-$12000 USD per vehicle. Let's say take the declining rate difference as indicative of the group that was misled. 35% of those taking FSD took the feature because of erroneous claims, generating about 2Bn in high-margin revenue collected pumping the stock and causing investors to pile on creating even more validation of this claim. Pumping the stock also created massive tranche payouts for Musk for hitting certain valuations that should only have been hit when the automaker was truly a runaway success. Musk is incentivized to use this reality-distortion field & cult-like persona to continue lying about Tesla's future for personal and corporate gain.

[1] Edit: Founder -> CEO

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