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Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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> [she] retired at 49 with $1.3 million in savings. That doesn't not seem like nearly enough. How does she afford health insurance? I would be terrified that after a prolonged downturn you'd be left with nothing. And Social Security in the US pays less the less you work.

If you've got $1.3 M in savings, chances are you can keep your healthcare MAGI above the Medicaid income threshold and below the threshold for a large ACA subsidy. If your savings is invested, you can make choices that lead to more or less realized income, depending on where you are. At least in early retirement, I'd expect some return of investment rather than all realized capital gains and dividends.

Also, depending on where you live, that might be ok for an unsubsidized exchange plan too, if you're just worried about affording health insurance. Actually use it to the out of pocket max most years, and you'd be cutting it close, especially if you have substantial living expenses, suffer an expensive injury or illness that's not covered, or need to get help with daily activities. OTOH, planning to use your assets to get into a situation where medicaid will cover you when your assets run out is a realistic plan, even if it's not a great outcome.

I've got some numbers in an older comment[1]:

> In my county, if I were 64 years old, assigned male at birth, I'm looking at about $17,000/year for a Blue Cross Bronze plan (less costly options available), with $9,200 out of pocket max.

I'm using 64 years old rather than 49, to give an idea of the increased cost as the retiree ages, and assuming things kind of stay even with inflation (because I have to make some assumptions to budget, not because they're good assumptions!) $17k/year on $1.3m is 1.3% of portfolio, so maybe a third of a safe withdrawal rate (depending on yet more assumptions) significant, but manageable. If you end up paying the full out of pocket max every year, that's more like 2% of the portfolio, and is like half of your safe withdrawal rate. I wouldn't want to retire with half of my budget spoken for, but depends on the situation.

Of course, personally, I retired at the end of 2019, and then got roped into working part time again at the end of 2022. If my financials were on the wrong track, it seems like I'd have lots of options; there's also plenty of retail work available in my community.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39759499

Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Don't have kids! Easy, done.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> at $300-400k in college tuition

I always wonder why it doesn't make sense to just have them learn German or French and then have them study in continental Europe. Living standard is the same, tuition cost is mostly non-existent and living abroad, if just for a year, will make you a better person.

Total cost for a bachelor + master is maybe 5 years with a cost of 1.5k per month maximum (this is considered rich for students), so you're at 18k per year or 90k total.

Educational arbitrage.

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#23

Don't have kids! Easy, done.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> $300-400k in college tuition

This is a ridiculous exaggeration.

Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Don't have kids! Easy, done.

I went this route, but question the wisdom of it as I age. My grandma is 103 in a nursing home. I don’t know how all of that would have been navigated without her kids helping to get that setup and working on her behalf.

Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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post #5

The article seriously downplays the role of luck here but it isn't wrong. If you live judiciously and save as much as you can by doing so, you reach a point where you can live judiciously without going into the office every day. The common thread is that just because you can buy something, or can qualify for a particular mortgage, doesn't mean you should if you're goal is to "retire" early. One of the engineers I wor…

> To many people have a very very complex relationship with money. Too many use it as a "score" to reinforce their own self image.

This quote from the show Ozark really resonated with me:

"Money is not peace of mind. Money's not happiness. Money is, at its essence, the measure of a man's choices."

Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> at $300-400k in college tuition I always wonder why it doesn't make sense to just have them learn German or French and then have them study in continental Europe. Living standard is the same, tuition cost is mostly non-existent and living abroad, if just for a year, will make you a better person. Total cost for a bachelor + master is maybe 5 years with a cost of 1.5k per month maximum (this is considered rich for s…

> learn German or French and then have them study in continental Europe. Living standard is the same

If you’re in a position to do this, the median European living standard is a huge step down. (You’ll also need to do extra work to make up for the network degradation.)

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> recommended employing your children starting from the age they are able to do household chores, which offers a double benefit of reducing a parent’s taxable income while building an investment-accruing tax shelter for the 7-year-old In case anyone was wondering, you cannot reduce your taxable income by paying your child to clean your house (I am a former tax lawyer). Could you pay your teenager to work for your com…

The main goal with the “hire children” discussions I’ve seen is to lodge taxable income to the child so you can start investment/retirement accounts.

But there are other ways to do the same thing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> at $300-400k in college tuition I always wonder why it doesn't make sense to just have them learn German or French and then have them study in continental Europe. Living standard is the same, tuition cost is mostly non-existent and living abroad, if just for a year, will make you a better person. Total cost for a bachelor + master is maybe 5 years with a cost of 1.5k per month maximum (this is considered rich for s…

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Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> $300-400k in college tuition This is a ridiculous exaggeration.

> This is a ridiculous exaggeration.

No it is not.

Given the current tuition rates of state colleges, and factoring the average increases in tuition over the past 10-15 years, it is expected that public universities will have an average 4 year tuition of over 300k in 18 years.

Note that some private universities are already at this price!

Re: Neighbors Are Retiring in Their 30s. Why Can't You?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This surely helps. Until your kids are 5 or so, you don't know if you'll have huge birth-related medical bills, unexpected disabilities/chronic illnesses, or special needs that require moving to an expensive school district. And even assuming everything is good on that front, you're still looking at $300-400k in college tuition (in 2024 dollars) if you let your kids pick any school. You can tell them that you can onl…

> at $300-400k in college tuition I always wonder why it doesn't make sense to just have them learn German or French and then have them study in continental Europe. Living standard is the same, tuition cost is mostly non-existent and living abroad, if just for a year, will make you a better person. Total cost for a bachelor + master is maybe 5 years with a cost of 1.5k per month maximum (this is considered rich for s…

By that justification you can skip the French/German stick with English and study at better universities in the UK.

Its not free but $25k a year for four years sure beats that 300-400k estimate.

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