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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Yes is it completely clear. My guess is they do something like "Siri-powered shortcuts". Where you can ask it to do a couple things and it'll dynamically create a script and execute it.

I can see a smaller model trained to do that may work well enough, however, I've never seen any real working examples of this work, that rabit device is heading in that direction, but it's mostly vaporware now.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by chatmasta »

xipix wrote: post #599
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

How is local more private? Whether AI runs on my phone or in a data center I still have to trust third parties to respect my data. That leaves only latency and connectivity as possible reasons to wish for endpoint AI.

If you can run AI in airplane mode, you are not trusting any third party, at least until you reconnect to the Internet. Even if the model was malware, it wouldn’t be able to exfiltrate any data prior to reconnecting.

You’re trusting the third party at training time, to build the model. But you’re not trusting it at inference time (or at least, you don’t have to, since you can airgap inference).

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by _boffin_ »

thefourthchime wrote: post #601
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Yes is it completely clear. My guess is they do something like "Siri-powered shortcuts". Where you can ask it to do a couple things and it'll dynamically create a script and execute it. I can see a smaller model trained to do that may work well enough, however, I've never seen any real working examples of this work, that rabit device is heading in that direction, but it's mostly vaporware now.

Pretty much my thoughts too. Going to have a model that’s smaller than 3B built in. The’ll have tokens that directly represent functions / shortcuts.

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rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by abhayhegde »

What's the endgame with iPads though? I mainly use it for consumption, taking notes and jotting annotations on PDFs. Well, it's a significant companion for my work, but I cannot see if I've any reason to upgrade from iPad Air 5, especially given the incompatibility of the Pencil 2nd gen.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by spintin »

asow92 wrote: post #332

Why are we running these high end CPUs on tablets without the ability to run pro apps like Xcode? Until I can run Xcode on an iPad (not Swift Playgrounds), it's a pass for me. Hear me out: I don't want to bring both an iPad and Macbook on trips, but I need Xcode. Because of this, I have to pick the Macbook every time. I want an iPad, but the iPad doesn't want me.

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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

slashdev wrote: post #585
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you take it to the Apple Store to recycle it instead of dropping it in the trash can?

They don’t accept computers for recycling. That’s what I found when I looked it up

They accept Apple branded computers for recycling if it has no trade in value (they'll try to get you an offer if it has any value). I have recycled damaged apple computers at the store before without trading in.
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