Every map of China is wrong

Post by keepamovin » Sat, May 04, 2024, 3:07 AM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #68

keepamovin wrote: post #43

Here’s where it gets interesting — GCJ-02 is based on WGS-84, but with a deliberate obfuscation algorithm applied to it. The effect of this is that there are random offsets added to both latitude and longitude, ranging from as little as 50m to as much as 500m. Holy shit. I can't believe they created an adversarial mapping standard. That is insane. It really paints a picture of their worldview I think. The oppressed "…

> Wow, what it must be like to have that view that everyone else is against you This is true. Anti-Chinese sentiment right now is high worldwide. And had been high since the 19th century. Look up Chinese Exclusion Act.

Post by pertymcpert » Sat, May 04, 2024, 5:12 AM UTC

_xnmw wrote: post #230

mopsi wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to speculate. Even with 1960s tech and no physical access, the US military somehow managed to produce really good maps of the USSR, superior to those that were available to the public. So ironically, the intentional inaccuracy of USSR-made maps affected domestic users the most. In 2024, with satellites producing imagery in ~10 cm resolution, the most important factor determining the quality of maps is…

Sure, but there's a limited amount of information available from a satellite image. It's hard to tell what's going on inside a building, for example.

Post by keepamovin » Sat, May 04, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #210

keepamovin wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in geopolitics it's probably always sensible to be a little paranoid...or have some people whose job that is. But I think the Kinmen thing is less big than it seems. It's already a militarized Taiwan island, and Taiwan and China are officially "still at war", so arguably the more provocative move is Taiwanese military presence there. A handful of US troops is not a significant deployment, and I think there's…

You misunderstand the job of these troops. Forward deployment like this are not there to threaten China. They are there, to tie down USA politicians. Suppose China makes a move on Taiwan, now they have to play around US troops or fear bringing USA into the war. US politicians now have troops stuck in a war zone, they can no longer just was their hands of the situation - that would be politically unacceptable. Imagine…

Post by cbeach » Sun, May 05, 2024, 8:05 AM UTC

thiagoharry wrote: post #266

cbeach wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic, that socialist/communist regimes always win power on the idea of giving control and ownership of assets back to "the people" The reality, of course, is that the people end up giving control and ownership to a one-party state. The four remaining Marxist-Leninist states are China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states#Marxi... ) In 2024, their Freedom Indices (out of 10…

Impressive, countries that are not capitalist, or not entirely capitalist, do not perform well on capitalist metrics, like "market freedom", or "economic freedom". Who could have guessed...?

Post by rurounijones » Wed, May 08, 2024, 6:26 AM UTC

Propelloni wrote: post #181

rurounijones wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is there any advantage (military or otherwise) for China to persist with obfuscation? I don't think so but it would be an embarrassment for the government to admit it no longer serves a use and such an action would be anathema to them.

Why would it be an embarrassment to say something has outlived its usefulness?