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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#32

Why even have an event at this point? There's literally nothing interesting.

2x better performance per watt is not interesting? Wow, what a time to be alive.

To me, cutting wattage in half is not interesting, but doubling performance is interesting. So performance per watt is actually a pretty useless metric since it doesn't differentiate between the two.

of course efficiency matters for a battery-powered device, but I still tend to lean towards raw power over all else. Others may choose differently, which is why other metrics exist I guess.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#33
post #17

They keep making iPads more powerful while keeping them on the Fisher-Price OS and then wonder why no one is buying them for real work. Who in their right mind will spend $1300-$1600 on this rather than a MacBook Pro?

Everyone knows the Fisher-Price OS is Windows XP (aka Teletubbies OS, on account of Bliss). iPads run Countertop OS (on account of their flat design).

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#34

Seeing an M series chip launch first in an iPad must be result of some mad supply chain and manufacturing related hangovers from COVID. If the iPad had better software and could be considered a first class productivity machine then it would be less surprising but the one thing no one says about the iPads is “I wish this chip were faster”

Maybe they're clocking it way down. Same performance, double the battery life.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#35
post #23

"With these improvements to the CPU and GPU, M4 maintains Apple silicon’s industry-leading performance per watt. M4 can deliver the same performance as M2 using just half the power. And compared with the latest PC chip in a thin and light laptop, M4 can deliver the same performance using just a fourth of the power." That's an incredible improvement in just a few years. I wonder how much of that is Apple engineering a…

Potentially > 2x greater battery life for the same amount of compute! That is pretty crazy. Or am I missing something?

Wait a bit. M2 wasn't as good as the hype was.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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post #11

I’m far from an expert in Apple silicon, but this strikes me as having some conservative improvements. And in-depth info out there yet?

2x the performance per watt is a great improvement, though.

Clever wording on their part: 2x performance per watt over M2. Took me a minute, had to reason through this is their 2nd generation 3nm chip, so it wasn't from a die shrink, then go spelunking.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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post #11

I’m far from an expert in Apple silicon, but this strikes me as having some conservative improvements. And in-depth info out there yet?

It surprised me they called it an M4 vs an M3 something. The display engine seems to be the largest change I don't know what that looked like on previous processors. Completely hypothesizing but could be a significant efficiency improvement if its offloading display stuff.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#38

Seeing an M series chip launch first in an iPad must be result of some mad supply chain and manufacturing related hangovers from COVID. If the iPad had better software and could be considered a first class productivity machine then it would be less surprising but the one thing no one says about the iPads is “I wish this chip were faster”

My guess is that the market size fit current yields.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#39

"With these improvements to the CPU and GPU, M4 maintains Apple silicon’s industry-leading performance per watt. M4 can deliver the same performance as M2 using just half the power. And compared with the latest PC chip in a thin and light laptop, M4 can deliver the same performance using just a fourth of the power." That's an incredible improvement in just a few years. I wonder how much of that is Apple engineering a…

On one hand, it's crazy. On the other hand, it's pretty typical for the industry.

Average performance per watt doubling time is 2.6 years: https://newsroom.arm.com/blog/performance-per-watt#:~:text=T....

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