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Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by chrisjj »

aspenmayer wrote: post #49
chrisjj wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’re not responding to the strongest form of my argument here I'm responding to the only form of your argument here.

Your responses are not actually rebuttals or responses at all any more than simple disagreement. Your one liner response here proves my point and disproves your own. You’re embarrassing yourself and me too for continuing to engage with you in good faith while you thumb your nose at the argument and debate itself by not even making your own case. I continue to hold out hope that you’ll do better but I don’t even know…

Given your argument is based on the false premise:

> "Real" balsamic vinegar as the title uses the world real ...

(the title does not use the word real at all) I don't believe it is worth effort to rebut.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by aspenmayer »

chrisjj wrote: post #51
aspenmayer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your responses are not actually rebuttals or responses at all any more than simple disagreement. Your one liner response here proves my point and disproves your own. You’re embarrassing yourself and me too for continuing to engage with you in good faith while you thumb your nose at the argument and debate itself by not even making your own case. I continue to hold out hope that you’ll do better but I don’t even know…

Given your argument is based on the false premise: > "Real" balsamic vinegar as the title uses the world real ... (the title does not use the word real at all) I don't believe it is worth effort to rebut.

I already explained that they implied the word real by using fake, and the word real is used in the article. You’re not even making a point. From your comment history, you’re a serial pedant and this entire thread is no different. Why are you like this?

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

#53

Post by lores »

0x457 wrote: post #12
beardyw wrote: post #5

I read that probably all truffle oil is fake. Hard to find a definitive statement.

Truffle oil you buy at the store, never been within miles from a real truffle. It's an oil that made to smell and taste "kinda" like truffle. The label is clear about that. It's not fake in the same way it's talked about fake balsamic vinegar in this article.

Interestingly, what most people think of as "truffle flavour" is fake truffle. Only two types of truffle have any flavour of note, the French black Perigord and the Italian white. They taste milder than you have been led to believe, there aren't many, they don't freeze, and they're only available in summer.

Corollary: if you have a truffle not in season, it's definitely a fake. If you have a truffle in season, it's still probably a fake. Often it's a Chinese one, which tastes of nothing, with fake truffle flavour added. If you eat a naturally tasty truffle, you might not recognise it, nearly everyone has only ever eaten fakes.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

#54

Post by chrisjj »

aspenmayer wrote: post #52
chrisjj wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given your argument is based on the false premise: > "Real" balsamic vinegar as the title uses the world real ... (the title does not use the word real at all) I don't believe it is worth effort to rebut.

I already explained that they implied the word real by using fake, and the word real is used in the article. You’re not even making a point. From your comment history, you’re a serial pedant and this entire thread is no different. Why are you like this?

Let's try to stay on topic, shall we?

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by aspenmayer »

chrisjj wrote: post #54
aspenmayer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already explained that they implied the word real by using fake, and the word real is used in the article. You’re not even making a point. From your comment history, you’re a serial pedant and this entire thread is no different. Why are you like this?

Let's try to stay on topic, shall we?

I'm responding to the only form of your argument here.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by dang »

chrisjj wrote: post #54
aspenmayer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already explained that they implied the word real by using fake, and the word real is used in the article. You’re not even making a point. From your comment history, you’re a serial pedant and this entire thread is no different. Why are you like this?

Let's try to stay on topic, shall we?

Can you please avoid flamewars and tit-for-tat spats like this one, when posting on HN? It's definitely not what the site is for, and it makes boring reading.

One sign that a thread is leaving the rails is when people start arguing about their argument, as you guys did here and here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280772

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40279988

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

#57

Post by dang »

aspenmayer wrote: post #55
chrisjj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's try to stay on topic, shall we?

I'm responding to the only form of your argument here.

Can you please avoid flamewars and tit-for-tat spats like this one, when posting on HN? It's definitely not what the site is for, and it makes boring reading.

One sign that a thread is leaving the rails is when people start arguing about their argument, as you guys did here and here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280772

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40279988

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by aspenmayer »

dang wrote: post #57
aspenmayer wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm responding to the only form of your argument here.

Can you please avoid flamewars and tit-for-tat spats like this one, when posting on HN? It's definitely not what the site is for, and it makes boring reading. One sign that a thread is leaving the rails is when people start arguing about their argument, as you guys did here and here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40279988 If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news…

> One sign that a thread is leaving the rails is when people start arguing about their argument

I was attempting to reformulate/rephrase my discussion to avoid low-effort and groundless dismissal of my good faith points. I was all but asking them why they believe the way they do and what they believe, to no avail. I was turning their own words against them in order to hold a mirror up to the absurdity of carrying on like they do when all else failed.

Thanks for the points all the same, including my debate partner, after all this, and also to dang, naturally.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by takluyver »

aspenmayer wrote: post #43
takluyver wrote: post #41

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> Any other vinegar product that uses blends of grape must and wine vinegar... isn't really in the spirit of balsamic vinegar. To sell such a blend and labeling it as balsamic vinegar feels like selling blended whisky as single malt whisky. It can absolutely be described as balsamic vinegar, though. Even the protected (PGI) name 'balsamic vinegar of Modena' is a blend with wine vinegar. Only the PDO term 'traditional…

> It's interesting to know that there's a special kind of balsamic vinegar that I've probably never tasted. If Francesco Aggazzotti, the person who invented the modern recipe for traditional balsamic vinegar, which is the basis for the PDO standard, is elitist regarding the proper way to make his family recipe traditional balsamic vinegar is a claim that could be made. I don’t know how you could say that he’s wrong t…

> I’m arguing for truth in advertising and labeling, so that counterfeit, fake, and adulterated products are eliminated from the market.

It's not a counterfeit, fake or adulterated product, though. It's balsamic vinegar, as almost everyone uses the term, and as the law, even in Italy, allows. If you want the extra special & expensive kind, you can look for 'Traditional balsamic vinegar' and the PDO logo that goes with it.

If people are selling regular balsamic vinegar as PDO 'Traditional balsamic vinegar', I'd agree with you. But I don't think that's happening on a significant scale.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Post by 0x457 »

chrisjj wrote: post #39
0x457 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually, you should have kept reading. The fakes they're talking about are actual fakes - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/09/grapes-of-wrat...

Yes, actually. I read the article and nowhere does it call the cheaper non-trad variety fake.

Well, read it again? It's about non-trad variety vinegar being sold as traditional variety. Which is very different from non-trad being sold as non-trad.
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