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Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

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Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

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post #6

The two most popular clients, Gmail and Outlook, are ranked at 25 and 41 (the bottom) respectively.

That's reminiscent of IE, being the most popular and underfeatured.

Most popular only because it was included with the OS and most IT departments did not allow use of other browsers. Just because it was the most installed does not make it the most popular. There was an old saying, "Internet Explorer: the most used browser to download another browser."

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#32

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Expand your group of people, because you clearly don’t know enough people.

I disagree. I wish I had more people that fit that filter. Email is broken and just a platform for spam. Even if it might be from someone that I purchased something from once or even regularly, if I did not select a check box to opt-in to receiving your email, it is spam. It's 2024. Emailing large file attachments is about as old and busted as FTP. There are so many other services to "share" large files. Attachment t…

As someone who works very regularly in email, it really bugs me that every time I see a thread about this topic in Hacker News there seems to be this confirmation bias that this is how the average person uses email in the wild, and I’m just trying to make the point that “Hey, this is a strong minority viewpoint.”

I get that y’all don’t like HTML email, but the fact of the matter is, that was a battle lost 25 years ago, and we need to figure out how to keep what we have working for people who don’t even know how to set plaintext email.

That’s what this particular tool is for.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#33

IMO, HTML was the worst thing that ever happened to email. Plain text content is the best content.

It's easy to say this, but can you imagine the hodge-podge of proprietary garbage we'd have to deal with if you couldn't email a simple file attachment to someone?

I'm confused. How is HTML needed to attach a file (or to open the attachment)?

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#34
post #18

Isn't AMP considered an antifeature these days? Last I heard even Google had abandoned it — but this is outside my zone of expertise, so I might be wrong?

It’s still quite wildly on websites. But it doesn’t even have support for GA4 yet. It’s probably dead just not yet on the dead list.

You maybe underestimating the number of people that use things without knowing what said things do, so those things just continue to live and never get migrated away from use.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#35

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I disagree. I wish I had more people that fit that filter. Email is broken and just a platform for spam. Even if it might be from someone that I purchased something from once or even regularly, if I did not select a check box to opt-in to receiving your email, it is spam. It's 2024. Emailing large file attachments is about as old and busted as FTP. There are so many other services to "share" large files. Attachment t…

As someone who works very regularly in email, it really bugs me that every time I see a thread about this topic in Hacker News there seems to be this confirmation bias that this is how the average person uses email in the wild, and I’m just trying to make the point that “Hey, this is a strong minority viewpoint.” I get that y’all don’t like HTML email, but the fact of the matter is, that was a battle lost 25 years ag…

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Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who works very regularly in email, it really bugs me that every time I see a thread about this topic in Hacker News there seems to be this confirmation bias that this is how the average person uses email in the wild, and I’m just trying to make the point that “Hey, this is a strong minority viewpoint.” I get that y’all don’t like HTML email, but the fact of the matter is, that was a battle lost 25 years ag…

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There's a vast spectrum of HTML email.

Most people use it in the "bold a few things and make a few words into a link" side of things; more like the old .RTF format. The caniemail.com stuff is for the more complex stuff that might be better left to websites.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#37

IMO, HTML was the worst thing that ever happened to email. Plain text content is the best content.

It's easy to say this, but can you imagine the hodge-podge of proprietary garbage we'd have to deal with if you couldn't email a simple file attachment to someone?

Email attachments are defined through MIME and don't depend at all on HTML being available as a Content-Type. We could well have had another format and attachments together.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#38
post #18

Isn't AMP considered an antifeature these days? Last I heard even Google had abandoned it — but this is outside my zone of expertise, so I might be wrong?

AMP for email is a bit different of a beast. It works a lot differently from the web version and is used essentially to add interactivity to the email. If you use Google Docs, it’s what allows you to directly reply to a comment in your inbox.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who works very regularly in email, it really bugs me that every time I see a thread about this topic in Hacker News there seems to be this confirmation bias that this is how the average person uses email in the wild, and I’m just trying to make the point that “Hey, this is a strong minority viewpoint.” I get that y’all don’t like HTML email, but the fact of the matter is, that was a battle lost 25 years ag…

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First: I run a popular newsletter that uses custom HTML theming and CMS customization. I don’t work in marketing. I just genuinely think HTML in email is actually a value add. Not everyone you disagree with works in marketing.

Secondly: The problem you’re pointing at is bad implementation of standards, which is entirely on Microsoft and Google. (Mostly Microsoft.) The reason HTML doesn’t work well in email is because of bad prioritization, which has led to kludge upon kludge.

Re: Caniemail.com – like caniuse but for email content

#40
post #6

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That's reminiscent of IE, being the most popular and underfeatured.

Most popular only because it was included with the OS and most IT departments did not allow use of other browsers. Just because it was the most installed does not make it the most popular. There was an old saying, "Internet Explorer: the most used browser to download another browser."

That was a saying later in the game and among techies. Website usage stats indicate that in 2007 a solid 67% of people were using IE, and that didn't drop below a majority of usage until mid-2010.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

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