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Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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American society is a bit messed up going back to slavery (and maybe the treatment of the indigenous people). That part (America of all countries) is not a surprise. It's also not new, random e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness Maybe this also has to do with the general idea that it's not up to a government to do things, it's up to individuals, which to me is how Americans think. I would think t…

Just as a side point, approx 3-4% of slaves ended up in North America. Most went to the Carribbean and South America (Brazil mainly). Nobody ever seems to want to talk about those countries though for some reason. Nor do they seem particularly interested in the slave trade that exists now in many countries in one form or another. My guess is its because these other examples are not politically useful.

Here in Brazil, we care, and we try to make amends: there are quotas for black people in universities, and our law is rigorous against manifestation of racism in social media, or in real life. I think it is expected that any place that enslaved people make their amends for their past crimes. But I fail to understand how for American people this should mean talking about slavery in Brazil instead of in their own country.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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I searched and I didn't see any examples of that. Oh, wait, I searched again and all I saw was the opposite. Oh, wait, I searched again and still found typical displays.

Here's a couple. I searched for nyse display and china stock market display. There's a lot of examples when you do those searches. https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JH281_0708NY_M_... https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A14FJ5/a-screen-with-the-market-sh... You can also do a text search for china red green stocks, or japan red green stocks. Bonus fun fact: If the little display on the taxi in japan is red, that mean…

The post I replied to talked about websites and they didn't say different colors were used in some circumstances, they literally mean different things.

Why does everyone have the same colors in traffic lights (except for japan's blue lights which comes from language, not cultural significance)

https://www.rd.com/article/heres-japan-blue-traffic-lights/

It's funny that this person speaks multiple languages and actually used different apps but was downvoted anyway.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40271465

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Here's a couple. I searched for nyse display and china stock market display. There's a lot of examples when you do those searches. https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JH281_0708NY_M_... https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A14FJ5/a-screen-with-the-market-sh... You can also do a text search for china red green stocks, or japan red green stocks. Bonus fun fact: If the little display on the taxi in japan is red, that mean…

The post I replied to talked about websites and they didn't say different colors were used in some circumstances, they literally mean different things. Why does everyone have the same colors in traffic lights (except for japan's blue lights which comes from language, not cultural significance) https://www.rd.com/article/heres-japan-blue-traffic-lights/ It's funny that this person speaks multiple languages and actuall…

> The post I replied to talked about websites and they didn't say different colors were used in some circumstances, they literally mean different things.

I'll quote it again.

"UI colors can have different meanings in different cultures."

And all the examples I gave have red meaning opposite things in user interfaces based on cultural assumptions.

Off/danger. Number up/number down. Occupied/available.

Websites were just one example of UI.

> It's funny that this person speaks multiple languages and actually used different apps but was downvoted anyway.

They said they haven't seen any. That doesn't override actual examples!

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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There is always a hint. Let's say I am an Eagle Scout. I want to write about something I did as an Eagle. Well, guess, what. I've told you a metric F-ton about myself.

What makes that unfair? Being an Eagle Scout can convey information about your talents and character. It's explicitly favoring people over immutable characteristics like race or what university your parents attended that is unfair.

Nothing is wrong with it, but it gives a STRONG hint on demographics I bet.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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You start out disputing my claim…and end by reinforcing it.

You don't see the difference between "x must be y always everywhere even in tiny groups" and "start skeptical if x isn't y in big groups"? I don't know how much simpler I can make this. Those statements are not the same.

they're the same from the perspective that race is a factor which merits equalizing

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Are you arguing that society operates from a position of optimal market theory, and that cultural norms, prejudices, and biases play no role in salary or pay rates for anyone It's not particularly hard to find examples of disparity or exploitation.

Disparity and exploitation are not the same thing as ignoring an obvious way to reduce labor costs. Why would companies be smart enough to outsource labor overseas, but somehow lack the know-how to simply hire women and save 23% of labor costs? Because the "women make 77 cents on the dollar" meme is just looking at raw incomes, and not adjusting for type of job and experience.

> "women make 77 cents on the dollar" meme

So you've done more search than everyone else putting out data? Maybe you can share all your hard-earned discoveries on the subject, since so you're so confidently well-informed.

Men account for 13% of nurses, but average $90k vs $76k for women.

https://blog.carlow.edu/2022/12/29/how-the-gender-pay-gap-im...

Female lawyers under 35 make 90% of their male counterparts, but the gap increases to 76% by middle age.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2018/05/women-lawyers...

The trend continues for doctors, police, and even teachers.

> lack the know-how to simply hire women and save 23% of labor costs

If you think "know-how" is the problem, you're ill equipped for this conversation.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Examples in the last paragraph not enough? https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini...

what? an implementation of an ai? no not really. Those things are hard, take millions of dollars to train ... it doesn't really show, say Marx's M-C-M' equation, r = s/(c + v) or any of the other theories in his text or anything else in that comment. I don't see how say https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3 relates to a place "with no dissent". That's just a bunch of trigger-words and scapegoats pasted…

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Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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You don't see the difference between "x must be y always everywhere even in tiny groups" and "start skeptical if x isn't y in big groups"? I don't know how much simpler I can make this. Those statements are not the same.

they're the same from the perspective that race is a factor which merits equalizing

It might need equalizing.

It depends on why the balance is the way it is.

It's good to check sometimes.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Disparity and exploitation are not the same thing as ignoring an obvious way to reduce labor costs. Why would companies be smart enough to outsource labor overseas, but somehow lack the know-how to simply hire women and save 23% of labor costs? Because the "women make 77 cents on the dollar" meme is just looking at raw incomes, and not adjusting for type of job and experience.

> "women make 77 cents on the dollar" meme So you've done more search than everyone else putting out data? Maybe you can share all your hard-earned discoveries on the subject, since so you're so confidently well-informed. Men account for 13% of nurses, but average $90k vs $76k for women. https://blog.carlow.edu/2022/12/29/how-the-gender-pay-gap-im... Female lawyers under 35 make 90% of their male counterparts, but th…

Then why don't they just hire women to do the exact same jobs as men and save a ton of money? You're still not offering a rationale for why companies aren't making use of an easy way to reduce labor costs. Which is more likely: that companies hate women so much that they're willing to ignore an opportunity to make a massive leap in profitability? Or perhaps you need to read your studies more closely and it's not the case that men and women are paid differently for the same work?

Your study on nurses offers an explanation in the article:

> Male nurses also reported working more hours per week, at an average 39 hours plus five hours of overtime, while female nurses reported working an average of 37 hours plus four hours of overtime.

I agree that if you just count the W-2s and ignore hours worked, subfields, travel, etc. then men make more than women. My whole point is that this kind of comparison is naive.

Likewise your study on lawyers grouped a hugely varied profession all into the same category. As an analogue, take doctors. Yes male and female doctor have different average incomes even for the same level of experience. But that doesn't capture the fact that over 70% of anesthesiologists are male while in pediatrics it's the opposite. This one will have an income disparity even when men and women are equally paid for the same work. It's a similarly naive analysis to lump together all lawyers into one category.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Not it's not lmao

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