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Post by dogman144 »

adding just to counteract some very odd takes in here from I presume currently vapors or wildly uneducated non-nicotine addicts.

Nicotine addiction owned my life for years. Nothing like it. I still have dreams about relapsing dip and then saying “f-it” and spending a day in my dreams going wild with Cope.

Quitting meant trying to taper, trying the gum, trying pouches vs loose dip, and if vapes were around I’d prob have tried those too.

All that adds up to is you’re still addicted, just to a different form, and your day shifts when leaving the house from “keys, wallet, tin of dip, spitter bottle” to “keys, wallet, nicotine gum/vape/we.” You’re still owned by the chemical haha.

Only thing that worked for me and others I knew who quit for good was cold turkey and an awful 90 days, at which point the habit and the chemicals are basically broken.

Which brings me to my point:

The amount of free marketing Juul and co is getting in this thread from nicotine addicts and their supporters over how Juul is fine and much much different from the good ol’ American diet cigs and dip is disappointing and not surprising.

The 10-20 y/o brand new chemical that is extremely addictive and associated with centuries of health problems is now totally fine? Where have I heard that one before……? At least make Philip Morris’s job hard, please.

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Post by stonogo »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #159
rayiner wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marijuana is legal for recreational use in the states where most people live. I'm in a Romney 2012 county and there's a giant dispensary on the main street that looks like an Apple store.

It is still a schedule 1 drug subject to criminal federal prosecution for possession and sale. The feds are just ignoring their obligation to uphold the law.

Not how the law works at all. Federal law applies to interstate issues, or when local LEO requests assistance. When a state legalizes, it means directing local LEO to stop asking for that assistance. Interstate and border checkpoints absolutely still exist and DEA absolutely still pursues trafficking. Businesses in non-prohibition states buy from in-state suppliers and deal primarily in cash. The feds have no obligation to drive into these places and start flipping tables.

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Post by stonogo »

rayiner wrote: post #32
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

Your link does not support your assertion that more kids are smoking weed in non-prohibition states. Non-prohibition states do, however, have greater access to other delivery methods, like edibles, so I'm not sure this assertion can be defended at all.

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Post by reaperman »

kibwen wrote: post #72
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes ...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

In the USA, “THC-A weed” is now legalized as hemp nationwide. But the secret is that this is just 100% normal weed. There’s literally not a single thing different about “THC-A weed” vs. “Amsterdam” or “California” weed.

THC-A is just the natural form of good old delta-9 THC while the plant is still freshly harvested and unheated. THC-A is the natural, standard weed chemical that converts to “good old delta-9 THC” at 100% efficiency as soon as the weed is heated for consumption, or while the plant sits around in storage for a long time. The old laws counted THC-A as contributing to delta-9 THC content, you summed them together or converted them before testing to decide if it was hemp. Now it’s treated as a different cannabinoid and only delta-9 content determines if it is hemp or weed.

So yes, weed is now legal nationwide is the USA, and sold in brick-and-mortar stores in all 50 states…it’s just gone completely and utterly under-the-political-radar.

Also “good old delta-9 THC” edibles are legal now as well, at very high strengths, because as long as the total weight is <0.3% delta-9 THC its a “hemp gummie”.

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Post by walthamstow »

jjice wrote: post #87

I'm blown away by how vaping took over. I was a senior in high school once Juul started to get popular. We'd joke about our peers that willingly took on an addiction when our generation was mostly in the clear from being addicted to cigarettes. Then some of my friends who'd joke about it started vaping. I don't even know how they started, but they did. Let me be clear - it's not nearly as annoying or destructive for…

These disposable vapes have been huge in the UK for a couple of years now, they're just £5 each. The FT did a piece on them at one point, calling them (externalities aside) the perfect product: discrete, tasty, addictive, cheap, available everywhere

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Post by [deleted] »

reaperman wrote: post #214
kibwen wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes ...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

In the USA, “THC-A weed” is now legalized as hemp nationwide. But the secret is that this is just 100% normal weed. There’s literally not a single thing different about “THC-A weed” vs. “Amsterdam” or “California” weed. THC-A is just the natural form of good old delta-9 THC while the plant is still freshly harvested and unheated. THC-A is the natural, standard weed chemical that converts to “good old delta-9 THC” at…

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Post by astura »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #62
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Quitting cigarettes is about as hard as quitting heroin. In contrast, quitting coffee is much, much easier. On a more personal note, when "The King's Speech" was in theaters I kept watching people smoke cigarettes on screen, and went out and bought some Drum. (Loose tobacco that comes with rolling papers.) Within a few days I started getting a voice in my…

I've thankfully never had to quit cigarettes or heroin, but in my experience quitting coffee is awful . 3-5 days of migraine-level headaches and nausea. And the whole time you're thinking, "all this could go away with just one little cup of coffee, which all the studies say has health benefits even. Just one little cup"

I absolutely can NOT relate.

I've spent years as very heavy coffee and/or tea drinker but I have never been addicted to it, either physically or psychologically. I can (and sometimes do!) switch from heavy consumption to going days without it and I don't notice a difference.

In fact, I barely even feel any effects of caffeine at all. Never have.

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Post by wzdd »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #42

I just want my mango pods back... Seems really arbitrary to ban things on a flavor by flavor basis. I don't see anybody banning fruity flavored vodka.

Alcoholic pre-mixed drinks, such as those containing vodka and fruit juice, were in fact banned or subject to higher taxes in some places specificially because they appealed to children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcopop#Attempts_to_discourage

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Post by lenerdenator »

jcranmer wrote: post #82
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

> Imagine a company being told today that they now have to stop advertising on billboards, can't advertise to kids, and have to pay a fifth of a trillion dollars over 25 years for the harms they caused to Medicaid. Can't, can you? That's what's happening to Juul right now. Juul e-cigarettes came out in 2015; 2018 had the first consent decree to not advertise anywhere kids might see the advertisements; by 2021, we had…

It's steep, but I'd say it's the monetary damages that make the punishment.

That's still real money by 2024 standards; but it was a thermonuclear bomb in 1998.

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Post by lenerdenator »

itsoktocry wrote: post #92
lenerdenator wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem came from the fact that sporadic smoking didn't serve the profits of tobacco companies in the way they would have liked. The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) has a much greater impact on weight management, though.

> The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy? Perhaps it's just food producers adding an abundant, cheap sweetener to their crap because that's what the market demands? Read the ingredients and buy or don't buy. People need to have a bit of personal accountability in…

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm saying it's fact. Humans like sweet foods because with the exception of felids, pretty much every species on the planet gains a survival advantage by consuming as many calories as possible when eating. This means that our brains feel rewarded when we eat sugary foods, and rewarded behavior is repeated behavior. That wasn't a problem when such foods were rare but now that they're available pretty much anywhere on-demand, yeah, it's a problem.

Personal accountability can only go so far when you're shown ads for sugary cereals and candy every morning as a kid.

Contrast that with, say, the current marijuana market in my region. It's regulated, it's only available at a relatively high price from licensed dispensaries. There are billboards but not much in the way of TV or radio ads. It's not marketed to kids. If you get addicted to marijuana in the Lower Midwestern US, that's a lack of personal accountability because you can't point to all of the stuff that's used to make junk food popular and say "they got me addicted!".

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