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Oh no!
I notice you responded to this and not any of the other critical threads (at least, at time time I'm posting). Tell me you're defensive and have no leg to stand on without telling me you're defensive and have no leg to stand on.
Passkeys: A shattered dream
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Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
#782Earlier quoted context omitted.
I notice you responded to this and not any of the other critical threads (at least, at time time I'm posting). Tell me you're defensive and have no leg to stand on without telling me you're defensive and have no leg to stand on.
Even Sisyphus wouldn't attempt to convince a HN crowd that not everything in the world is a big tech conspiracy...
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
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Well, obviously the customer only gets the convenience they are willing to pay for. Competition should help keep those costs down.
The blind faith some people have in markets and competition despite all evidence always leaves me in awe.
You can also write:
> The blind faith some people have in [regulation and government] despite all evidence always leaves me in awe.
In any case, markets ain't perfect. They are made of people, after all. But they are better than the alternatives. And most importantly: if you don't like what's on offer, you are allowed to get an alternative without going to jail.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
#784Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even Sisyphus wouldn't attempt to convince a HN crowd that not everything in the world is a big tech conspiracy...
A history of fuckery and fuckups is not a conspiracy, it's history. Even Sisyphus recognizes the wisdom of Upton Sinclair.
Now I will definitely let you have the last word.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
#785Earlier quoted context omitted.
The blind faith some people have in markets and competition despite all evidence always leaves me in awe.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'despite all evidence'? You can also write: > The blind faith some people have in [regulation and government] despite all evidence always leaves me in awe. In any case, markets ain't perfect. They are made of people, after all. But they are better than the alternatives. And most importantly: if you don't like what's on offer, you are allowed to get an alternative without going to jail.
The Western world and Asia is a pretty good evidence that government works. If you want the libertarian dream of no government, you can go to Somalia, or South Sudan, or Yemen, or whatever failed states you can think about.
> And most importantly: if you don't like what's on offer, you are allowed to get an alternative without going to jail.
Oh sure you won't go to jail, but the alternative doesn't exists so you can't get it either. Like the convenient safe storage we both wish it existed.
In totalitarian dictatorship, you can't build such a tool without getting murdered or jailed, in totalitarian Capitalism you can build it but it will eventually be blocked from reaching any significant room on the market because of big corps or if you raise money from VC in order to get the marketing you need, it will eventually be bought out by one of the big player who will close or enshitify it.
The good alternative is what's called democracy, where the sovereign people vote for things instead of leaving the power to the party or the market.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
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That's a fundamental problem with cryptographic security: you cannot trust people to manage your keys for you (because due to lack of regulation preventing that companies have this bad habit of pulling the rug under their customers' feet) but you cannot trust yourself doing that either, because you can, and will, make mistakes.
> [...] you cannot trust people to manage your keys for you (because due to lack of regulation preventing that companies have this bad habit of pulling the rug under their customers' feet) [...] Huh? There's plenty of already existing legal ways to do that. Just leave your key with your lawyer or a notary, and existing regulation about fiduciary duty handle everything just fine. You can also make normal private contr…
Fun fact: the reason why giving it to your lawyer or a notary works is exactly because of regulation regarding these professions. Without regulations, there would be no such alternative.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
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1Password includes Passkeys in archive/exports of the 1Password database. Safari developers have stated that it is a planned feature to support Passkey exporting (but not currently supported) including between apps. I'm not aware of any restrictions at this time on your second point. I also haven't seen any examples of attestation and Passkeys being used in practice.
> 1Password includes Passkeys in archive/exports of the 1Password database. They explicitly do not.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
#788If there will be a way to backup and restore between competitors, for example from bitwarden to 1password or vice versa, im fine to go with bitwarden now. Backup and import passkeys from Bitwarden to Bitwarden already supported.
So please FIDO'S contributers, find away to standardize backup&restore passkeys.
Re: Passkeys: A shattered dream
#789Earlier quoted context omitted.
A history of fuckery and fuckups is not a conspiracy, it's history. Even Sisyphus recognizes the wisdom of Upton Sinclair.
Oh no! Now I will definitely let you have the last word.