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Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by tombert »

kibwen wrote: post #72
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes ...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

> Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect.

I don't know for sure, but does this imply that the FDA can't really regulate these dispensaries? Since the federal government's official stance on marijuana is "you shouldn't be using it anyway!" then presumably they don't feel the need to ensure purity of the product for dispensaries.

I've said for years that I'm the only person I know that D.A.R.E. was actually effective on; I'm way too much of a coward to consume things that aren't regulated. Even as a teenager I never did any drugs because I was afraid that it might be cut with something horrible like meth and I wouldn't have any recourse for them doing that.

I'm sure most dispensaries are fine, but I'm still kind of afraid of something that doesn't have FDA oversight.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by itsoktocry »

lenerdenator wrote: post #49
eej71 wrote: post #41

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I've often wondered if our complete demonization of all smoking was a bit of a disservice to the sporadic smoke that likely helped with managing one's weight which has its own health benefits.

The problem came from the fact that sporadic smoking didn't serve the profits of tobacco companies in the way they would have liked. The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) has a much greater impact on weight management, though.

>The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits)

Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy? Perhaps it's just food producers adding an abundant, cheap sweetener to their crap because that's what the market demands?

Read the ingredients and buy or don't buy. People need to have a bit of personal accountability in these things.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by adolph »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #46
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot. Until you lean in for a kiss, or even a hug.

See also:

The $4 billion gum industry has gone into freefall, with sales down 11% and volume down 20% in the past five years.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3033451/why-nobody-likes-to-chew...

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by Mashimo »

adolph wrote: post #93
pavel_lishin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot. Until you lean in for a kiss, or even a hug.

See also: The $4 billion gum industry has gone into freefall, with sales down 11% and volume down 20% in the past five years. https://www.fastcompany.com/3033451/why-nobody-likes-to-chew...

Once we legalize MDMA that will pick right back up again!

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by itsoktocry »

bayindirh wrote: post #76
zachturn wrote: post #74

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This is such an edge case on quitting a caffeine addiction. 2 liters is an INSANE amount of coffee to be drinking daily. Kudos to you but let's not pretend this is the average experience of people breaking even much milder levels of caffeine consumption.

I did my research before letting coffee loose on my body. The coffee acts by blocking tiredness/sleep receptors on the brain, so brain builds more of them to work normally. This is how coffee dependence and tolerance builds. When you stop coffee, brain detects that the number of receptors is too high and starts to break them down. This is why you get the headaches. That "one week" period is not an edge case, it's the…

>I did my research before letting coffee loose on my body.

Was this research similar to you drawing conclusions about nicotine based on the handful of your friends that vape?

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by epgui »

kibwen wrote: post #72
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes ...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

> Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized

I don't know where you live, but I buy my marijuana from a government store. There exist other countries.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by alephnerd »

mcphage wrote: post #90
alephnerd wrote: post #34

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Opium War 2.0 - we have too much inertia to stop the "good times", and while everyone had the right to ruin their bodies, they're doing it out of complete ignorance. The Western relationship to addictive substances is insane, and I hate to admit this, but to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right.

> to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right What is that?

Hyper-individualism leading to a nihilistic worldview.

Individuals absolutely should have autonomy to choose what they wish to do, but not if it has an impact on the rest of society.

Fundamentally, some amount of regulation (either via social norms or via actual laws) is needed, yet we as individuals will continue to fight each other while ignoring the core fact that we are all on the same team.

I strongly disagree with Wang and Xi, but on this part I am in agreement - individualism has gone too far in America (both economically and socially), and we need to return to our communitarian roots.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by nunez »

alephnerd wrote: post #34
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

Opium War 2.0 - we have too much inertia to stop the "good times", and while everyone had the right to ruin their bodies, they're doing it out of complete ignorance. The Western relationship to addictive substances is insane, and I hate to admit this, but to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right.

But smoking and coffee are still popular throughout the rest of the world, and I don't think we top the leaderboard in alcohol consumption...

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by walleeee »

mcphage wrote: post #90
alephnerd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opium War 2.0 - we have too much inertia to stop the "good times", and while everyone had the right to ruin their bodies, they're doing it out of complete ignorance. The Western relationship to addictive substances is insane, and I hate to admit this, but to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right.

> to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right What is that?

In a word, that it is a civilization without society, or perhaps a society without culture, which (by this lack) is engineering its own decay.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by alephnerd »

walleeee wrote: post #99
mcphage wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to a certain extent Wang Huning's thesis about America is right What is that?

In a word, that it is a civilization without society, or perhaps a society without culture, which (by this lack) is engineering its own decay.

Not exactly. It's hard to translate but I'd recommend taking a read.
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