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#13“Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome”
Nobody would have been confused in that direction, the problem is that only the outcome was visible until now and you can't easily go outcome -> incentive because "does believe this" and "paid, therefore pretending to believe this" are equally plausible motivations.
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#14Juul is the perfect example that our systems just don't work for the people or the common good by default. Any device that delivers such a highly addictive compound should have to been blocked by default until it was allowed. It was done the other way around.
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#16If there are no consequences then why do people think stuff like this will stop happening? Corporations have always paid for "expert" opinions and will always continue to do so.
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#17Juul is the perfect example that our systems just don't work for the people or the common good by default. Any device that delivers such a highly addictive compound should have to been blocked by default until it was allowed. It was done the other way around.
But the freedom to kill oneself! /s
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#18It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…
> Imagine a company being told today that they now have to stop advertising on billboards, can't advertise to kids, and have to pay a fifth of a trillion dollars over 25 years for the harms they caused to Medicaid. Can't, can you?
I'd welcome those kinds of regulations to be applied to oil and car companies. Arguably they've caused a lot more harm.
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#19It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…
> Imagine a company being told today that they now have to stop advertising on billboards, can't advertise to kids, and have to pay a fifth of a trillion dollars over 25 years for the harms they caused to Medicaid. Can't, can you? I'd welcome those kinds of regulations to be applied to oil and car companies. Arguably they've caused a lot more harm.
except now everyone who isn't on Ozempic, is obese.
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#20Is the scientific method, or more generally modern science and how it is distributed to those outside the field, so poorly designed that not disclosing ties invalidates what was communicated? If so, sounds like we shouldn't be relying on such a method as a source of truth for policy making, or at least treating it with much more skepticism. Are we perhaps using science to inform policy makers before there are multiple independent replications which would make an instance of ethical disregard less likely to influence the outcome?
Hiding things, even by omission, is not acceptable. But think of it like a CI/CD system where a junior dev takes down prod. No matter what mistake they made, no matter why they made the mistake, the system shouldn't be so weak that their mistake caused any significant issues. (Please ignore for a moment the junior dev isn't acting with a level of ethnical disregard such as seen by not disclosing ties; the comparison isn't perfect.)