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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by farseer » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:14 PM UTC

drdrek wrote: post #765

farseer wrote: post #717

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Your conspiracy theory can co-exist with mine :) I believe multiple parties want TikTok banned for their own reasons. However I am hearing more and more people mention TikTok and Israel together inside congressional circles than mentions of "TikTok and China". Here is an example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible?? India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers? Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately.

>>How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible??

Inside "Congressional circles" as clearly written in my post. And I should have added within the past few months.

>>India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers?

India can have its own reasons, my argument is limited to the United States and that too, through wooing Congress

>>Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok?

I didn't say that, of-course not.

>>Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately.

I like you... I mean the way you classified me into your world view, twisted my arguments. You think, I will now defend a conspiracy of "Jewish World Domination"? Very impressive sir!

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by dudeinjapan » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

AlecSchueler wrote: post #725

guappa wrote: post #655

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It's a bit ironic how we are constantly reminded that china isn't a democracy because they have censorship, while we are free and democratic and don't have censorship (except we do). Italy is passing laws to be able to block websites within 30 minutes, without any oversight from any judge. (more details here, link in italian https://stop-piracy-shield.it/ )

In Germany they can't publicly gather to protest Israel's actions either, not legally anyway. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/26/complete-censo...

Considering what happened in Germany the last time it held mass gatherings to protest against Jews, better to err on the side of caution.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by bingbingbing777 » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:19 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #228

Israel doing this might not be very significant, but if other countries, e.g. Germany do the same then this seems to cross another line

Why does Israel get a free pass?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by pdinny » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:25 PM UTC

dudeinjapan wrote: post #812

AlecSchueler wrote: post #725

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In Germany they can't publicly gather to protest Israel's actions either, not legally anyway. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/26/complete-censo...

Considering what happened in Germany the last time it held mass gatherings to protest against Jews, better to err on the side of caution.

This type of conflation is extremely dangerous. Criticism of the actions of the government of Israel is not the same thing as anti-semitism (a real and very bad thing).

To make this claim essentially gives the government of Israel the go ahead to do absolutely anything without any possibility of criticism, because that criticism is never engaged with on the basis of its content but dismissed as anti-semitism.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by xchip » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:28 PM UTC

Thanks to HN for allowing us have this sort of conversations, talking is much needed!

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by robbiep » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:36 PM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #466

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Armando Iannucci's career has twice now been upstaged by the increasing ridiculousness of reality in politics. One of the reasons he says he stopped making his first series, The Thick of It, was that UK politicians became parodies of themselves. There was nothing left to make fun of. Then the same thing happened to his American incarnation, Veep.

Iannucci's Death of Stalin has the advantage that it's all history - it can't become more ridiculous after he made the movie because it's in the past. But of course the reality is more or less as absurd as the movie, although different in important ways. (Lots of the timing is completely wrong, events are re-arranged, people are shuffled about so that fewer actors play more important roles) but it does have the advan…

Don’t forget they actually reduced the number of medals on Zhukov’s chest because they thought it was too over the top to replicate what he actually wore

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:38 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #634

kragen wrote: post #454

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> That's correct and IMHO [censorship is] the right thing to do when shooting begins it's been a common observation since aischylos that the truth is the first casualty of war it's quite different to assert that the truth should be the first casualty of war, which seems to be your position

I don’t say that the truth should be this or that, all I say is that information flow is part of the warfare and the parties at war will want to control it for their advantage. After all, they are literally killing people.

Sure, but why should we be subjected to only our own propagandists lies and not be able to hear the other side? Why are our lies better?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by roenxi » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:39 PM UTC

sweetheart wrote: post #763

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He's not wrong. This is a real Police and Crimes Commissioner and is not a character from the Thick of It: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xlcWVXHv_As

I genuinely cannot tell if this is real still. Like, I want to believe you, but this person is basically doing the best Michael Scott impersonation I’ve ever seen.

The editing could be described as "unsympathetic". I get the impression that the substance of her responses lives between the cuts. Although this is one of that unfortunate situations where the video is so funny it undermines any interest in what is really going on.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Ma8ee » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:39 PM UTC

cies wrote: post #799

Ma8ee wrote: post #792

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No, but Russia is my enemy, and should be the enemy of everyone who cares about a liberal world order based on law, not might. And in the case of RT, they had left even the pretence of journalism a long time ago. But I agree with those that say we should not have banned them. When we try to defend our liberal world order with censorship, we are certainly throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Glad you come to that conclusion. > And in the case of RT, they had left even the pretence of journalism a long time ago. What is RT doing that is not found in FOX, NBC, CNews.fr, Hayom? > liberal world order based on law, not might. This is a facade. The talking point the NATO/US/west uses, while they violate every such rule when they see fit. You may be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer

This is exactly one of the Russian talking points. "You see, we might have invaded a few neighbour countries with the intention of annexing the territories, but look at NATO, they are equally bad because they invaded Iraq." (NATO didn't invade Iraq, the US did with the help of UK, Poland, and Australia)

I can't take someone (like Mearsheimer) who warns that Germany again is likely to try to invade Europe even a little bit serious. He clearly knows nothing about contemporary German politics, culture, or how well they are doing manufacturing and trading.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Mon, May 06, 2024, 12:40 PM UTC

twixfel wrote: post #649

kragen wrote: post #454

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> That's correct and IMHO [censorship is] the right thing to do when shooting begins it's been a common observation since aischylos that the truth is the first casualty of war it's quite different to assert that the truth should be the first casualty of war, which seems to be your position

RT is not truth though. When a country is fighting for its very survival against a genocidal foe, I'm not about to start clutching my pearls that they've banned their genocidal foe's propaganda. Seems reasonable to me.

It's no worse than CNNs take on iraq and weapons of mass destruction, or (to go to the ru-ukr war), all the "putin has 3 days of supplies left" articles from 2022, 2023 and this year.

You just prefer your own propaganda.