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have any citations or specific examples?
Examples in the last paragraph not enough?
https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini...
MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions
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#622Beyond the culture war, I find DEI uncomfortable. I’m not the most articulate and don’t keep up with modern trends. Ask me about computers or tell me to code, but writing about social subjects when I barely leave my room and even then only to exercise feels like a nightmare. I’ve been asked to optionally write something similar during university applications in the past but along with ethnicity and other private info…
Same and I keep up with some of subjects but the whole DEI feels like a minefield where any thing voiced can be used against you.
Example: you notice that corporate culture is a bit aggressive on the feedback which causes some negatives effects. Someone says that everyone should do some training to give more neutral feedback but I notice that also gives room to less articulated people voice less concerns as they fear they could be badly perceived.
Still, everyone around pretends that are no tradeoffs, just positive effects. I have no idea how to properly give that feedback to the organization as it will be probably be seen as odd/weird or even talking down HR work.
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Untrue It is what it's called, here, in NZ English
I know, but it's still unhelpful performative posturing. There would be zero risk of confusion if it was called simply "Māori" or "the Māori language" instead, the way we do with every other language in the world.
> it's still unhelpful performative posturing
Why exactly is it "unhelpful"? You say there's no risk of simply saying Maori - what is the risk in calling it what it's called?
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Calling "south Asia" the somewhat geographically and ethnically coherent region consisting of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan (excluding other parts of Asia that are located equally south because they are distinctly east or west) is a refreshingly objective naming.
Maybe such a region is too large and diverse to be meaningful, but there's no reason to accuse anybody of confusing parts of the old British empire or of embracing silly nationalist newspeak.
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I think that’s consistent with the example that I gave. I suspect someone who said “I plan to give all multiple choice exams in order to simplify grading.” in their teaching statement would likely get a poor rating? (The 76% refers to applications to an “Advancing diversity” grant program, so it seems a bit duplicitous to suggest it represents happens in faculty hiring?)
hm, standardized test are better for diversity, no?
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I was taught in high school that it was 6 million Jews. Standard American public high school. Teacher was left-wing. We read Diary of Anne Frank, Night by Elie Weisel, Number the Stars, etc. No holocaust denial going on. Yes, the Soviets were excluded. So were the Prussians, who were the victims of both Nazi and Soviet genocides. Nobody calls this holocaust denial.
>Yes, the Soviets were excluded. >>The double think is so strong that you can have two people from the same village, in the same camp, dead on the same day and have one be a victim of the holocaust, and the other not just because one was a Jew and the other a Communist. Or to put it another way. If Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were both captured by time traveling Nazis and sent to Treblinka Marx would count towards…
Are you just now learning that words have definitions? Do you know what a definition is? The Holocaust is defined, a priori, as the Nazi genocide of Jews, whether in gas chambers or in killing fields. It's a word with a definition. The Nazi killing of communists for being communist is a politicide, not a genocide. The Nazi killing of gypsies is also genocide, similar to the Holocaust, but it definitionally isn't the Holocaust.
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#627The western idea of DEI has always puzzled me ever since I first came across it (or at least the D portion of DEI, which in my mind is the most important one). I'm a Serb by blood and grew up in and have lived in Indonesia for the majority of my life, and I went to an international school with kids from quite literally every single corner of the earth, many of them being some exotic mix of various ethnicities. Despit…
It's "DEI by photography". You need to see DEI when you look at a photo of a group of employees.
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> - Embracing diverse viewpoints If you read this as having some academics embracing Flat Earth viewpoints, it is obvious this will not happen. The devil is in the details, what does "Embracing diverse viewpoints" even mean? Science usually drives to unique conclusions, not diverse interpretations. How many correct and diverse viewpoints exist about E=m*c^2 ?
what does "Embracing diverse viewpoints" even mean I could have phrased this better. What I meant was: being open minded to being proven wrong. There are many academics who will not entertain any viewpoint that's contrary to their own belief and agenda. They will happily share papers that support their preconceived notions, and be hostile towards anyone who questions whether these papers have merit.
OK, with that definition not only it make sense, but close minded academics are not worth to be academics.
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have any citations or specific examples?
Examples in the last paragraph not enough? https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini...
what? an implementation of an ai? no not really. Those things are hard, take millions of dollars to train ... it doesn't really show, say Marx's M-C-M' equation, r = s/(c + v) or any of the other theories in his text or anything else in that comment. I don't see how say https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3 relates to a place "with no dissent".
That's just a bunch of trigger-words and scapegoats pasted together.
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STEM is something you gotta have some substantial internal motivation to do, such as doing it for a hobby. The kind of work I enjoy, you gotta really like it or it isn't going to work out for you. For example, I was taking machines apart when I was 7 trying to figure out how they worked. I'd break open resistors to see what was inside - just baffling grey dust. Eventually I took bicycles apart, then engines, then who…
Maybe decades ago when college students based their choice of majors on feelings or whatever that might have been true. Nowadays college students are much more practical. An obvious example is the rise in CS majors in the last decade. The notion of substantial motivation or hobby to go into STEM is absolutely ridiculous.
As a STEM student who actually did a STEM job (basic science research) you have to love it to make a career out of it.
The pay isn’t fantastic and your career is basically doing the same thing (with more skill over time) for 30 years. With most of your work a failure.
Even people who liked it often bailed.
Programming is a bit different. You can make a lot of money, have varied jobs and just grin and bear it for the money.