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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by int_19h »

easyThrowaway wrote: post #100
ttul wrote: post #38

Netanyahu's ongoing corruption trial looms large over all of this. If he were to lose power, he would be far more vulnerable to conviction and potential imprisonment. So from this vantage point, the Al Jazeera ban could be seen as an act of desperation - muzzling a high-profile critic as a concession to far-right parties, even at the expense of free press principles, all in service of his own political and personal s…

He's playing with the same rulebook of Slobodan Milošević - He's trying to make apparent to everybody that if he goes down, his own country will go down with him. Frankly, it feels like the only hope for an end to this conflict is in the hands of the internal Israeli political opposition. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not stopped, we're gonna see the same... "approach" used with Palestinian people applied to whatev…

IIRC something like 80% of Israeli citizens approve of the way Israel is fighting in Gaza, according to the polls.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by mrtksn »

medo-bear wrote: post #623
mrtksn wrote: post #330

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That's correct and IMHO its the right thing to do when shooting begins because when people shoot each other this is no longer a discussion and the press is part of the warfare. Remember all the Russian media and social media accounts claiming that its American hysteria that they will invade Ukraine? They denied and mocked anyone who claimed that they will invade up until the tanks rolled in. Personally, I'm critical…

It is at least the biggest insult to your adult citizens to say to them, "you are not allowed to read this because you are too stupid."

I don’t think it’s that at all, it’s about controlling the narrative for your advantage. You might be lying as well, be doing horrible things and you don’t want the people you control to know that or to think that way.

It’s not a noble thing, it’s a war weapon.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by distances »

Hock88sdx wrote: post #441
angra_mainyu wrote: post #309

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rt.com and their twitter are blocked. How are you not aware of this? It's been a few years already. The EU ruled on this. https://paste.pics/4b60ebef97d3b7fbb6aba74637c2e818 https://paste.pics/0cb2ae98754165dad5cf086e75c4cc31

Many using VPN. For example if you set the VPN servers to HK, RT will display as usual. In general I notice my peers will use anti-west countries based servers for censored western news and the reverse for anti-east. Some do use it so intuitively they might not realized RT or any Russian sites blocked. A lot of time I just assume it is due to network outages.

I would think most people know about RT blocking because it was widely announced and discussed at the time, and not because they actually tried to access RT.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by mrtksn »

kragen wrote: post #454
mrtksn wrote: post #330

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That's correct and IMHO its the right thing to do when shooting begins because when people shoot each other this is no longer a discussion and the press is part of the warfare. Remember all the Russian media and social media accounts claiming that its American hysteria that they will invade Ukraine? They denied and mocked anyone who claimed that they will invade up until the tanks rolled in. Personally, I'm critical…

> That's correct and IMHO [censorship is] the right thing to do when shooting begins it's been a common observation since aischylos that the truth is the first casualty of war it's quite different to assert that the truth should be the first casualty of war, which seems to be your position

I don’t say that the truth should be this or that, all I say is that information flow is part of the warfare and the parties at war will want to control it for their advantage. After all, they are literally killing people.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Rebelgecko »

NomDePlum wrote: post #413
Rebelgecko wrote: post #398

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As someone who was only familiar with Al Jazeera's English reporting (and thought it was pretty good), it was eye opening to check out their Arabic website translated into a language I speak. Maybe Google Translate was erasing some nuance, but I saw a huge number of controversial, disputed, or downright false claims that were reported uncritically as facts.

I've done similar in the past, mostly to try to get early sight of news. Never come across anything even close to what you claim. Can you provide citations? If not, I'd suggest you are just making this up.

“أبرز تطورات اليوم الـ11 من طوفان الأقصى.” Translated by Google Translate, أخبار | الجزيرة نت, الجزيرة نت, 17 Oct. 2023.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by arp242 »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #487
Ahmd72 wrote: post #289

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I'm not really sure pulling out a controversies tab from wikipedia is making the point that OP is trying to make. It's like citing BBC for their controversies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies

And? Not a great counter point though. BBC is known to have issues with factuality. https://deadline.com/2023/10/bbc-wrong-to-speculate-on-gaza-... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/21/bbc-reporter-nig... But to address your point: https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons "

> https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D...

> "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons "

Is that not correct? Or what's the problem with it? A basic translate + fact check seems it's basically correct?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by forty »

lukan wrote: post #396
forty wrote: post #375

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I know the whole radical free speech theory where everyone should be able to see all discourses and make their own informed opinion. The thing is, the facts are that propaganda and fake news are super effective. Probably a failure of western democracies to develop critical sense of their citizens, or the lake of preparation to the quick rise of social networks. And now far right are rising in Europe too, of course dr…

"Short term I think I'm okay if we don't have RT in France." You do. On the internet. An increasing amount of people are getting their (fake) news now exclusivly online via "alternative" news sources like RT. Banning one of those sources on television will just mean further entrenching of those people. ("see, they don't want the truth to spread" ...) " I'd be happy if there were more money to fund school and lessons…

Some people sees TV as a more serious or reliable source of information than internet, so I think it's fair to avoid having the official propaganda of an hostile country there.

Of course there is always a risk of censorship of real information. As citizens we must be vigilant to what is banned. And our reaction as citizens should absolutely be different depending of wether the ban targets RT or Le Monde (for example).

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Symbiote »

Animatronio wrote: post #438
Ecstatify wrote: post #63

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Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Spain, Finland, France, United Kingdom, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovenia, Slovakia,

Wrong! RT is available in Ro.

You can see the availability (without needing VPN etc) here.

https://ooni.org/post/2024-eu-sanctions/

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by pasabagi »

xenospn wrote: post #582
runarberg wrote: post #541

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Genocide has a precise definition and has been codified in international law. I believe this internationally recognized definition mirrors what most people mean when they use the term. It does not necessitate the systemic killing of every person of a certain genetic identity. Genocide is outlined in the Genocide convention from 1948[1]. It is short so I’ll give you the whole definition here: > In the present Conventi…

The US has killed over 400,000 Iraqis since invading Iraq. Do you think that qualifies as genocide?

That's a built-in failing of the genocide definition: it requires intent, otherwise no doubt the US would have been on the hook as early as the Korean war.

Sadly for the Israelis, they have a cabinet of the kind of people who just cannot help themselves from communicating intent.

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