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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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>which Arab countries banned it and when? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1980191.stm https://english.alarabiya.net/media/digital/2017/05/24/Websi... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/28/al-jazeera-ban... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-censorship-idUSKBN1...

I hope you actually read those articles, because 2 of them are saying Al Jazeera is biased towards Israel - hence why the ban, and not what you are trying to prove.

Obviously that’s what they would say. The whole point of this discussion is that people tend to say things that advance their agenda, or are politically expedient, not because they are the unvarnished truth.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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FTL: "... while more than 100 journalists were killed in six months in Gaza by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) ..." Anyone know where to find what the current accurate count of number of journalists killed in the Gaza bombardment to date? Last I heard it was 170. There are also journalists who lived but their whole family died in the strikes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_i...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40270344

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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> We see this with open chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" I particularly object to taking worst possible interpretation, and labelling the slogan as a call for ethnic cleansing. The phrase "will be free" would not normally be interpreted this was in in any other conflict.

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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If you allow "national security" to be used as an excuse to "grant powers" which ultimately just "destroy freedom" then you will end up with leaders who intentionally do a bad job at security in order to access the power that grants them. If your government cannot protect the country from journalists, then you should force them to resign, and call for new elections.

and if you allow foreign agents to incite for ethnic murder and the destruction and on your country on local cable TV? you think this ends well?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

This is fine but you have to realise that war isn’t just about bombs. It’s about information too. An information war. In order to make up your mind correctly you need to be feed accurate information. Al Jazeera making up causality figures in real-time isn’t how you make up your mind.

You’re absolutely correct about the information war bit. Facts are important. But another equally important component is what is withheld from the public.

I think it would be a mistake to characterize the difference between Israeli media and pro Palestinian media as simply disagreeing about numbers. If we’ve learned anything about global conflict, numbers don’t mean anything to people. If all Al Jazeera were doing is putting a black text white background body count on screen, there would have been no issue.

The difference is the images that are being depicted. People are moved by images of suffering. And depending on whose side you’d like to benefit, there’s plenty of suffering to show. This is likely one of the reasons Israel is shooting journalists. They might show pictures that complicate their black and white depiction of the conflict.

It’s also a trap to say that showing one side diminishes the suffering of the other. Fundamentally, neither’s suffering is more important.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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How is this possible in a democratic country?

It’s a great question. I suggest reading up on what democracy really means in the modern world: https://chomsky.info/consent01/

I suggest avoiding reading anything by a guy that idolizes the Khmer Rouge.

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Israel lets more aid through now than before the October 7th atrocities. That aid is intercepted by Hamas and does not reach the intended recipients.

> Israel lets more aid through now than before the October 7th atrocities. That aid is intercepted by Hamas and does not reach the intended recipients. No, they do not. There are still less full aid trucks even after the murder of the World kitchen volunteers massively increased international pressure on Israel to let aid in. Northern Gaza is now in full blown famine as defined by top US officials that define famine,…

Hamas / Gazans are bombing aid routes right now.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kerem+shalom+crossing

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