Live data from Hacker News

Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

theguardian.com

501–510 of 1001 posts

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#501
post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

I started watching it to try get a different take on events in Israel. It took me about 10 minutes to realise it’s a Hamas mouthpiece. I think they have two audiences to try establish a sense of credibility and then use it to spew lies.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#502
post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

This is fine but you have to realise that war isn’t just about bombs. It’s about information too. An information war. In order to make up your mind correctly you need to be feed accurate information. Al Jazeera making up causality figures in real-time isn’t how you make up your mind.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't classify murdering 30k+ civilians (15k+ children), dropping bombs on entire families, being caught[0] executing civilians with drones in plain view, having israeli holocaust scholars and survivors describing israel's actions as "textbook-case of genocide"[1][2], the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state, as "winning", but you do you. [0] "Note that this footage permits no room for "it was a m…

I meant winning in the context of military conflict. Obviously not in reputation.

You're still conflating murdering civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure with "winning", but the resistance is quite safe in their tunnels and they are still fighting[0] back. It's also advisable to take Israel's casualty numbers with a huge grain of salt because they are contradictory to what's happening on the ground. Israel has not achieved any of its declared objectives (except for the Genocide)

[0] Palestinian resistance weapons continue to evolve during genocide, with Jon Elmer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF9OsxkttM0

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#504
post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their journalist were trained at BBC. It is funny that BBC exactly fits your definition :-) BTW both have very high standards and make excellent journalism. I'd like to see examples of bad Al Jazeera journalism instead of just attacks to Qatar monarchy.

[flagged]

[flagged]

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#505
post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas Have any citations?

[deleted]

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#506
post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will not be banned. There is zero evidence for this. There is a big difference between banning what can only be described as a fake news outlet controlled by the adversary government of Qatar vs. banning the most important or second most important independent newspaper in the country. When _that_ happens then the completely unjustified outrage in many comments here will be justified as that would indeed be an un…

On what basis in Al Jazeera a fake news outlet?

At the risk of being downvoted as the parent comment. There were many reports in Israeli media showing their reporters framing a false narrative around the conflict.

To be fair, I think that blocking etc. is a dumb move by the government. Even though they are clearly a very biased organization the damage of closing their offices is probably worse than the alternative.

The fear mongering of the top parent comment is unjustified and not exactly accurate. I'm physically in Tel Aviv and can access the Al Jazeera website just fine. News outlets can't be closed and there's no "great firewall" in Israel. There is a censor but its usage is relatively limited in the age of the internet.

Examples of Al Jazeera bias include a famous video of a Gazan interviewed by a reporter blaming Hamas for everything and the reporter immediately cutting it off so it won't break the narrative that everyone in Gaza blames only Israel.

They're the ones that promoted the fake hospital bombing and they are the source of most fake unsubstantiated stories. Their Arabic language channel is far worse than their English coverage.

They made up fake stories about IDF soldiers raping in Gaza and obviously didn't report about the actual rapes by Hamas.

They refuse to interview people who can actually answer questions legitimately in Arabic such as Yosef Hadad since that would let their audience receive unfiltered truth.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

> Europe has done the same with Russia. Not really. Top Russian officials, say Dmitri Medvedev, are still shitposting on twitter: > Macron preparing to go to kyiv? But he's a zoological coward! Most Russian news websites are still up, say vesti.ru And Russia is active participant in a war, while Quatar is not bombing anyone.

Also many european countries are not actively fighting a war. I do not really think it was the right decision to ban RT what are they scared of?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#508
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has banned many Russian and Belarussian news sources since the invasion of Ukraine. The USA seems to not have followed through (as far as I know - as Russian news sites seem to be available).

Yeah well the EU isn't exactly a bastion of freedom. There is not freedom of speech there.

Clearly, law based on US definitions of terms is the only way to be free.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

#510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We see this with open chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" I particularly object to taking worst possible interpretation, and labelling the slogan as a call for ethnic cleansing. The phrase "will be free" would not normally be interpreted this was in in any other conflict.

[flagged]

I would describe this as a motte and bailey: using the failure of peace processes to advance the claim that any call for Palestinian freedom is genocidal. Although even the “motte” in this case is tenuous, since preventing the recognition of a Palestinian state has been an explicit goal of Israeli and U.S. foreign policy.

Honestly not even sure what to say about the second paragraph, other than that “implacable religious and ethnic hatred” is definitely a deeply held Western value. We don’t have a monopoly on it, but the idea that we are the uniquely moral ones, while all those other people are just motivated by hatred… sheesh.

Post reply on HN