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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by mrtksn »

Loquebantur wrote: post #366
mrtksn wrote: post #330

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That's correct and IMHO its the right thing to do when shooting begins because when people shoot each other this is no longer a discussion and the press is part of the warfare. Remember all the Russian media and social media accounts claiming that its American hysteria that they will invade Ukraine? They denied and mocked anyone who claimed that they will invade up until the tanks rolled in. Personally, I'm critical…

I find it downright perverse to call genocide "retaliatory" and the act of covering it up "normal".

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Post by emadabdulrahim »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #301
emadabdulrahim wrote: post #278

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> is a genocide...It’s ICJ’s No, it is not. The ICJ said Israel must "take action to prevent acts of genocide" [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-worl... [2] https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

That was nearly 5 months ago. Did Israel take any of those measures? Or did you stop following the news since?

Again. Reality check.

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Post by A1kmm »

jolj wrote: post #168
arp242 wrote: post #107

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RT was outright banned by the EU after they invaded Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Responses – it's also been dropped/banned by most mainstream platforms. I don't think you can compare Al Jazeera and RT, because one has been a firehose of bullshit that has literally advocates invasion of Ukraine, and the other does not. As far as I know, Al Jazeera is banned purely because they've been critica…

You'd might want to watch some arabic al jazeera. While Al Jazeera English pushes s the progressive post-colonialist narrative in the United States, Al Jazeera Arabic gears the Middle East for a war by pushing a Muslim Brotherhood idea of a Sharia state, Salafism and Jihad. Both have the same aim, just as Qatar Airways sponsor your flights with oil money so you might fly through Qatar, Al Jazeera pays journalists so…

Do you have a link to an article in Arabic where they incite violence?

I've spent a while translating various articles on the Al Jazeera Arabic site from Arabic to English with mistral-7b. Everything seemed to be very fact based, and was emphasising things like civilian deaths, which aligns to what I'd consider public interest.

The Arabic text does consistently use the term شهيد (martyr) to describe Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza, which is the closest thing to biased language I found across multiple articles about Israel and Palestine - but I think that is normal in Arabic for describing even non-combatant casualties and not necessarily reflective of bias given Arabic conventions.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #372
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is a genocide...It’s ICJ’s No, it is not. The ICJ said Israel must "take action to prevent acts of genocide" [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-worl... [2] https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

That was nearly 5 months ago. Did Israel take any of those measures? Or did you stop following the news since? Again. Reality check.

> That was nearly 5 months ago

That was the ICJ’s last order to Israel. You claimed the ICJ called Israel’s war genocide. That is false.

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Post by forty »

Hoasi wrote: post #279
lukan wrote: post #119

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"Banning them from the EU was certainly in our interest." It is not in my interest, to become more like authorian russia for the sake of fighting them.

Exactly. It’s undemocratic. It’s also unwise strategically.

I know the whole radical free speech theory where everyone should be able to see all discourses and make their own informed opinion. The thing is, the facts are that propaganda and fake news are super effective. Probably a failure of western democracies to develop critical sense of their citizens, or the lake of preparation to the quick rise of social networks. And now far right are rising in Europe too, of course driven - in part - by Russian propaganda and fake news (and funding too).

So I'm not sure what is the good solution now. I'd be happy if there were more money to fund school and lessons for children to understand how those fake news work. But this is long term. Short term I think I'm okay if we don't have RT in France.

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Post by TylerE »

Scoundreller wrote: post #353
cassianoleal wrote: post #297

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At least in the UK, you used to be able to watch RT on broadcast. Now only the Internet version is accessible, and I think some ISPs DNS block them. Granted, a DNS block is easy to circumvent if you understand it, but most users will still be cut off.

As a total outlier, RT was paying the cable/sat systems to be carried in US/Canada, instead of the other way around. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/rts-purchase-of-cana... https://www.wsj.com/articles/rt-channels-unique-carriage-dea... I wonder if other countries were the same.

That’s not really an outlier. Common for political networks, religious channels, shopping networks….

Probably more than half the channels on a typical American cable system are paying to be there. Especially the stuff in the basic tiers.

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Post by ceejayoz »

avip wrote: post #312
whatshisface wrote: post #302

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> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

Yes. Neo-Nazis serve as an obvious example. As long as you aren’t inciting imminent lawless actions you can say pretty much anything.

Or https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/pastors-praise-anti-ga...

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

avip wrote: post #312
whatshisface wrote: post #302

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> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

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Post by csdreamer7 »

avip wrote: post #312
whatshisface wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

> Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

You can not. Inciting violence and calls for criminal action is a well establish limit of the First Amendment, but that is not what they are doing from what I gathered in this thread.

From the poster a few levels above:

> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas. Also the entire point of Al Jazeera was for Qatar to provide political influence through media, not as an unbiased news agency.

Showing a video of an enemy of the country calling for genocide of that country is a newsworthy event that is part of journalistic practice. The American media showed Osama Bin Laden videos calling for the death of Americans, to report on him.

Please learn the difference of showing a video of a terrorist calling for genocide to report on him vs the news anchor/owner of that news company agreeing with that terrorist and joining that call for genocide.

America has other limits on free speech. Foreign control of media for example which I am not familiar with.

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Post by amadeuspagel »

TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #87
brabel wrote: post #55

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It's disinformation according to the Government though, which is the same thing happening here with Israel, isn't it? Do you believe Al Jazeera is spreading misinformation? Even if Israel says so? Even if the USA starts saying so as well? I don't know where we can draw a line here.

We can draw the line when they report proven false information and never apologize for reporting so. We can draw the line when they say one thing on English Al Jazeera and another on Arabic Al Jazeera. We can draw the line when their reporters were (since then eliminated) active member of Hamas rocket teams.

> We can draw the line when they say one thing on English Al Jazeera and another on Arabic Al Jazeera.

The vast majority of media companies that own media in different languages are on Al Jazeera's side of the line then, including most companies that have social media channels in different languages.

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