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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by zeroCalories » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:28 PM UTC

NewJazz wrote: post #182

avip wrote: post #118

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Is this some kind of rhetorical question? Qatar is the main funder of Hamas regime. And hosting Hamas leadership. They fund Hamas more than Iran, according to Israeli intelligence (which may be wrong but that’s the source we have)

India pays a lot of money to Russia for oil, it doesn't make them a belligerent. China also has close ties, but arguably they've refrained from arming Russia. Are missiles coming out of Qatar? Are they even supplying arms to Hamas, or do they simply fund the civilian portions of the government?

Both India and China produce their own fascistic propaganda supporting Russia. I wouldn't blame the EU for banning the Global Times.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by einpoklum » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:28 PM UTC

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas.

If you mean that they were covering such demands and showing clips in which they are made etc. - what's the problem with that?

> for being a security risk.

goes to show they were doing some decent journalistic work then. Not that Al-Jazeera is saintly, or unbiased, or treats all subjects fairly etc. (they are under the indirect control of the Qatari government after all) - but they certainly offer critically important coverage of what's happening in Palestine in general, and Gaza in particular, which is very hard to get elsewhere.

> Why would you allow that to continue in your country?

If by "you", you mean a semi-totalitarian state which wants to silence coverage of its crimes and hide the horrors of its actions from the world and from its residents, then - you're right, you definitely wouldn't want it to continue operating.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Scoundreller » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:29 PM UTC

cassianoleal wrote: post #297

patall wrote: post #280

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Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

At least in the UK, you used to be able to watch RT on broadcast. Now only the Internet version is accessible, and I think some ISPs DNS block them. Granted, a DNS block is easy to circumvent if you understand it, but most users will still be cut off.

As a total outlier, RT was paying the cable/sat systems to be carried in US/Canada, instead of the other way around.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/rts-purchase-of-cana...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rt-channels-unique-carriage-dea...

I wonder if other countries were the same.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Qem » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:29 PM UTC

yonixw wrote: post #121

vbezhenar wrote: post #98

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> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies a…

> which turned out to be a Hamas missile

Debunked: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disi...

IDF has bombed the entirety of Gaza health infrastructure by now. It's odd they don't want us to believe they would be capable to bomb this particular hospital when they destroyed every single other one.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by forty » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:29 PM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #299

brabel wrote: post #51

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The EU has banned many Russian and Belarussian news sources since the invasion of Ukraine. The USA seems to not have followed through (as far as I know - as Russian news sites seem to be available).

> The EU has banned many Russian news sources rt.com, enter… loads instantaneously. sputnikglobe.com, enter… loads instantaneously. Please don’t lie. Edit: it was not a lie, my apologies. One of the most ineffectual bans I have ever seen.

Maybe not for whole EU, but I read it was banned in France, and I can confirm I cannot reach it now (from France).

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by cwkoss » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:30 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161

kelthuzad wrote: post #153

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I wouldn't classify murdering 30k+ civilians (15k+ children), dropping bombs on entire families, being caught[0] executing civilians with drones in plain view, having israeli holocaust scholars and survivors describing israel's actions as "textbook-case of genocide"[1][2], the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state, as "winning", but you do you. [0] "Note that this footage permits no room for "it was a m…

Winning is based on war aims. Israel's were the return of captives and removal of Hamas. It is further along in those aims than it was in the aftermath of the October 7 attacks; that's fairly defined as winning. (Taken to the extreme, Nazi Germany was winning WWII in 1940.) > the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state Your other claims are true. This one is not.

I think you should be skeptical of the official state claims of war aims. It seems quite apparent that Israel's actions are working towards the goal of ethnic cleansing and land conquest.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by zeroCalories » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:32 PM UTC

TBH I don't care to extend charity like freedom of speech to people that don't share our liberal values. Sure, the bar should be very high for such charges, but organizations like Al Jazeera have repeatedly shown their colors.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by dang » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:32 PM UTC

juunpp wrote: post #271

dang wrote: post #12

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Having spent entire days moderating previous threads on this topic, I know what kind of conversation we're likely to get. But abandoning discussion altogether is also not an option. > I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews. I don't think I'd say 'want' (what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else), but the issue is the principles by which we moderate the site. If you loo…

> what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else You are deceiving yourself, dang. You cherish every single second of it.

Well that's one word for it!

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by quonn » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:32 PM UTC

subliminalpanda wrote: post #345

quonn wrote: post #328

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They will not be banned. There is zero evidence for this. There is a big difference between banning what can only be described as a fake news outlet controlled by the adversary government of Qatar vs. banning the most important or second most important independent newspaper in the country. When _that_ happens then the completely unjustified outrage in many comments here will be justified as that would indeed be an un…

On what basis in Al Jazeera a fake news outlet?

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by YZF » Sun, May 05, 2024, 10:36 PM UTC

Xeronate wrote: post #341

lucumo wrote: post #267

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Is that claim in the part behind the paywall? The furthest the freely accessible part goes is to say Israel "encouraged" Qatari payments to Hamas.

non paywall version: https://archive.fo/lgtyM from what I can see it never mentioned Israel directly giving money to Hamas. But encouraging payments seems close enough.

Israeli enabled money to go in to pay government salaries to prevent Gaza from descending in chaos. That said I think it's a matter of fact that maintaining Hamas as a counter to the PA was part of strategy of the Netanyahu government.

I think pretty much any money going into Gaza should be considered funding Hamas. It either went directly to Hamas or it was taxed or it allowed Hamas not to spent that money. This means Europe and the US also funded Hamas.