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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

The first half of your comment is fascinating and sounds entirely plausible. At first glance.

The second half contains emotion which makes clear where your heart is on this. So, that casts a shadow of doubt.

Could it be that there is credibility to your point but not to such an extreme extent where it’s like this deliberate conspiracy? I mean, as soon as everyone finds out, then this would actually be kind of a dumb plan on their part. The Arabic audience can inform the English audience of the discrepancy and vice versa. What if it’s not a conspiracy but a consequence of a large organization containing a blend of biased opinionated departments? Some more focused on journalism, and some on catering to local audiences’ tastes. That would make more sense to me, along with the typical biases of all news-media orgs everywhere in the world..

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Post by feedforward »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

The reader should take note that when those celebrating "the only democracy in the Middle East" shutting down a news organization, and blocking Israelis from accessing their web site - when they talk about Hamas and the political influence of Qatar - remember that Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad to Qatar weeks before October 7 to encourage them to send money to Hamas ( https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... ). He did this because the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank was making peaceful, political headway in getting Palestine internationally recognized.

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Post by jolj »

arp242 wrote: post #290
jolj wrote: post #168

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You'd might want to watch some arabic al jazeera. While Al Jazeera English pushes s the progressive post-colonialist narrative in the United States, Al Jazeera Arabic gears the Middle East for a war by pushing a Muslim Brotherhood idea of a Sharia state, Salafism and Jihad. Both have the same aim, just as Qatar Airways sponsor your flights with oil money so you might fly through Qatar, Al Jazeera pays journalists so…

I don't speak Arabic so I can't really judge that; I'm sure there's tons of stuff I'd find distasteful, but being distasteful or even inflammatory (within some limits of reason) should not be outlawed. All I can do is go by articles such as this, which don't really seem to cite the same "firehose of bullshit"-type stuff. Also note that the Israeli government spends tons of money to push Israeli narratives and viewpoi…

In most of the world outside of the United States, there are laws that relate to the concept of a "defensive democracy". For example the laws that outlaw display of swastikas in Germany are contradictory with freedom of speech but are aimed at denying a democracy being exploited by extreme groups (see ww2).

The discussion here is about the actions of Israel versus Al Jazeera, not a possibility of banning Al Jazeera in the United States or maybe Israeli viewpoints.

Also, I am pretty sure Israeli spendings to push Israeli narratives in the US are minuscule, especially compared to Qatar's.

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Post by Ahmd72 »

candiodari wrote: post #320
pydry wrote: post #300

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Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf o…

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This is not purposefully, Arabic is the main language of the people living in the regions, the Arabs. Just because they're catering to that out and giving news accordingly to the local demographics, bringing speakers from there doesn't make it their viewpoints. If you want to accuse someone of pushing agenda then Western media outlets and outlets that pushed the "40 babies beheading" stories is more factual.

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Post by crazygringo »

candiodari wrote: post #320
pydry wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf o…

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Can you please provide links?

It's hard for me to believe that your "Arabic" version is genuine. But if that's just me being naive, then I'd like to understand the truth, but I need actual evidence for that.

So if there are genuine headlines like that on Al Jazeera, it should be trivial for you to provide a couple of representative links that we can run through Google Translate to verify?

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Post by stareatgoats »

candiodari wrote: post #320
pydry wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf o…

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Sources, please.

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Post by liopleurodon »

patall wrote: post #280
angra_mainyu wrote: post #244

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Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

It's part of the EU sanctions, EU ISPs are required to block certain Russian sites. But they didn't specify how, that's left up to the countries to figure out afaik. But as you say, some of the what has been done barely qualifies.

Here's my personal experience with this:

Germany does exactly what you describe, the bare minimum to say "we're blocking" --- DNS omitting certain sites.

Spain is doing deep packet inspection, blocking DNS requests that lookup RT, so DNS over HTTPS or through a VPN is a must. Additionally, they're also reading the SNI in TLS requests and blocking that way. If you try accessing RT in pure unencrypted HTTP you're get some fortigate blocking message back.

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Post by DEADMINCE »

avip wrote: post #312
whatshisface wrote: post #302

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> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

If worded in a way to prevent outright calls to violence, then yes.

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Post by dralley »

neves wrote: post #327
mupuff1234 wrote: post #308

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I wouldn't say it's validating, just not necessarily invalidating. Regardless, a news organizing funded by a monarchy not exactly known for its human and civilian rights mostly like has an agenda beyond "honest journalism".

Their journalist were trained at BBC. It is funny that BBC exactly fits your definition :-) BTW both have very high standards and make excellent journalism. I'd like to see examples of bad Al Jazeera journalism instead of just attacks to Qatar monarchy.

>BTW both have very high standards and make excellent journalism.

With respect to everything except the middle east.

I won't deny that they have generally good coverage on many subjects, but the nuance is that they leverage / launder that credibility towards advancing the state aims of Qatar whenever needed.

And as OP mentioned, if you look up how AJ covers a topic in English and how they cover it in Arabic, it's wildly different.

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