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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by jay-barronville »

Ahmd72 wrote: post #205
cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

Can you point to some articles in Aljazeera Arabic that is doing what you're accusing?

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Post by avip »

whatshisface wrote: post #302
cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

atlantic wrote: post #295
exe34 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite usual to ban the enemy from inciting dissidence from your own population during a war.

Yes, propaganda is acceptable during a war, and censorship is a part of that. But Europe is not at war with Russia. They are simply giving material support to one of the belligerents. Outside the context of a declared war, censorship should not happen in so-called democratic societies.

That's quite a blunt viewpoint. Is it possible the situation is more nuanced?

To resort to official declarations of war or lack thereof, to hamstring the US response to widespread dissemination of Russian propaganda is plausible on the face of it.

But consider: the US is under no obligation to facilitate Russian propagandists. To deny them access is a matter for the State Department, as it's dealing with foreign nationals. It's quite routine to deny rights to non-American citizens.

Finally, a declaration of war with Russia could destabilize politics everywhere. Or even, destroy the world. It's disingenuous to ignore that and quibble over the rules, especially since those rules clearly don't apply to foreign governments trying to operate in the US.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by jay-barronville »

cjk2 wrote: post #207
exe34 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realise they had two versions, but it makes sense. Is the anti-infidel version only available in Arabic then?

Yes it is. They have low to no journalistic standards in that edition and it's heavily propagandized depending on their agenda. Their entire reputation is based on the Western version as "look we use those standards everywhere" which is definitely not true.

Where’s the proof to back your statement? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Post by jdietrich »

pydry wrote: post #300
jdietrich wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See for yourself: https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5...

Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf o…

It's not an interview if a spokesman is allowed to say whatever they like without being challenged. It's not an interview if you broadcast a pre-recorded speech without comment. Ben Gvir is awful, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Jazeera's Arabic service is not impartial and is not acting as a legitimate journalistic outlet.

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

atlantic wrote: post #295
exe34 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite usual to ban the enemy from inciting dissidence from your own population during a war.

Yes, propaganda is acceptable during a war, and censorship is a part of that. But Europe is not at war with Russia. They are simply giving material support to one of the belligerents. Outside the context of a declared war, censorship should not happen in so-called democratic societies.

> But Europe is not at war with Russia.

Not yet, they're not.

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

arp242 wrote: post #124
darkclouds wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets not forget that the British Govt banned Russia Today from broadcasting in the UK a few years back. Such is their planning and manipulation of events on the global stage! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/18/will-ofcoms-de... Notice a pattern with the British Govt? They get their "independent" depts and businesses to do their dirty work for deniability!

Russian government literally assassinated or tried to assassinate several people in British territory. That the Russian government's propaganda arm hadn't been given the boot after these spectacular acts of bad faith demonstrates that the UK government perhaps has slightly more dedication to press freedom than you're suggesting.

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Post by neves »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

Would you please link to examples the same news to Western audiences and to Middle Eastern ones? We can use Google translates by our selves.

Sorry, but I can't just take your words for it. It looks more like propaganda.

The more I read Al Jazeera, the more I respect their high journalism standards. I'm from a third world country and really envy the quality of the news.

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Post by candiodari »

pydry wrote: post #300
jdietrich wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See for yourself: https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5...

Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf o…

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