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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by dakom » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #84

dakom wrote: post #69

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I would argue that's an apples to oranges comparison. Since by international law definition Gaza is an occupied territory, for one, and it's perhaps one of the most disproportionate "conflicts" in modern history. Re: journalistic integrity - I thought the idea with investigative journalism is allow people to speak freely - and then let the individual determine how truthful the source is based on a multitude of factor…

What does proportion have to do with anything? You can't actually expect a country at war to supply the enemy with ammunition, period. I don't expect Hamas to allow an Arutz Sheva, or even Haaretz, office to operate on their airwaves.

Re: journalistic integrity. It's arguable, but I would say no- and many others in democratic countries would too. Bleach doesn't cure COVID, vaccines don't cause autism, and Israel isn't commiting genocide. When the facts are being twisted and misinformation endangers human life, there is a responsibility to get it right or shut it down. I am not talking about the average person having stupid uninformed opinions and shouting it to the rooftops. I am talking about professionals. Same goes for many other professions. If you're programming firmware for a dialysis machine, and you knowingly introduce a bug to kill people, your power to distribute that code to hospitals should be taken away before people get hurt.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by keefle » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk.

If I recall Egypt partially did that after the military coup, and some Gulf countries. None of which are known for being kind to criticism. So this point is more validating of Aljazeera's position as relatively honest journalism in the a region full of dictatorships and corrupt governments.

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

cma wrote: post #229

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> RT was heavily censored in the USA Source?

I don't know of any outright censorship of it, but all US journalists who worked for it were no longer allowed to after the outbreak of the war. If money is speech under citizens united, then pay for journalism would seem like it could possibly be protected under the same standard, though I think election funding is still allowed to be banned from foreign states even if they use super-PACs.

> all US journalists who worked for it were no longer allowed to after the outbreak of the war

Again, source?

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:38 PM UTC

user982 wrote: post #189

wudangmonk wrote: post #136

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Its not but it is being banned because people are getting their news from there and its not following the right narrative that the 'real' news agencies are failing at peddling to the public. Then again I could be wrong and the U.S government just doesn't like people people dancing, hard to tell which one is the reason behind it all.

The congresspeople who voted to shut down TikTok have been very open about the reason: https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1787104142982283587

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Post by angra_mainyu » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:39 PM UTC

exe34 wrote: post #195

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

I didn't realise they had two versions, but it makes sense. Is the anti-infidel version only available in Arabic then?

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:39 PM UTC

lightbritefight wrote: post #196

patrickmay wrote: post #164

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Israel lets more aid through now than before the October 7th atrocities. That aid is intercepted by Hamas and does not reach the intended recipients.

> Israel lets more aid through now than before the October 7th atrocities. That aid is intercepted by Hamas and does not reach the intended recipients. No, they do not. There are still less full aid trucks even after the murder of the World kitchen volunteers massively increased international pressure on Israel to let aid in. Northern Gaza is now in full blown famine as defined by top US officials that define famine,…

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Post by jolj » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

SauciestGNU wrote: post #224

jolj wrote: post #186

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Not parent, but: 1. False report about IDF rape https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-report-alleging-idf... 2. Arabic vs English Al Jazeera, conflicting messages https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2017/10/01/Al-Jazeer... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/aljazeer... 3. Al Jazeera reporters doubling as Hamas members https://www.timesofisrael.com/wounded-al-jazeera-reporter-in... https://www.…

Times of Israel is the media of a different belligerent in this conflict, why on earth should I trust them to debunk AJ anymore than I should trust AJ to truthfully report on Israel?

The difference is that Times of Israel is privately owned, while Al Jazeera is operated by an authoritarian government. also the information I posted can be found in other places. However, if you think a government that promotes modern slavery is probably a good source for journalism, that's your choice to make.

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Post by emadabdulrahim » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

Provide any evidence of the accusations you’re hurling, please.

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Post by TacticalCoder » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas. > > It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk. > > Why would you allow that to continue in your country?

Especially when you have, in your country, about 20% of muslim arabs, most of which being israelo-palestinians (i.e. palestinians with an israeli passport).

The last thing they'd want, in addition to fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah, would be an uprising of the israelo-palestinians who live in Israel.

It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that.

The number of publication and jewish newspaper offices in both Gaza and Iran should also be food for thought.

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Post by usrusr » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

DataDaemon wrote: post #26

How is this possible in a democratic country?

Israel has never formally left behind the "make it up as you go" spirit of the founding days. Not entirely surprising considering that they've never had a lack of more pressing problems. But a "who needs rules if we are all friends" attitude certainly seems a bit anachronistic by now, and really not a good fit for the reality on the ground.

But I make it the centerpiece of my best-case scenario for the region: imagine that gap left by the absent constitution getting filled by something aggressively secular, with a strong set of entrenched clauses (aka eternity clauses) protecting individual religious freedom from any majority shifts that might happen. Perhaps even with some strong federal element enabling peaceful growth (and Brexit-like shrinkage) like the EU. I'm certainly not holding my breath, neither expecting Israel to come up with anything like that (despite their internal made-up-as-they-went not being terribly far off, I think) nor this having any effect on countries refusing recognition. But then what other best-case scenarios are there?