Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
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Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#42Drummers are probably going to be the "attractive person" equivalent on this app lol
you meant to say "good drummers"
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#43Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
Yeah, swiping is a dark pattern employed by dating apps.
Even with millions of users, there's better ways to match people up than a simple swipe. It's to keep people at the mercy of an algorithm where spending money is the only way to get any sort of control over what you see.
It exists only for shady monetisation.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#44Cool idea, but I'm not giving you my location. Please allow me to select a city manually.
I figured that "allow once, approximate location" would be sufficient for the privacy conscious. A little scared to make it selectable, as it would make it much easier for spammers/scammers to target locations, as the only verification is email. I do realize they can still change their location that with an emulator.
You're only keeping honest people out. It's trivial to spoof location on Android.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#45Ease of recording has made remote bands and collaborations very common, you can trade stems with people anywhere and make music.
This would be a million times more useful without the geographical restriction, although I concede if the true intent is to make in person bands then sure, it's useful. Just consider the wider market.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does a drummer use for birth control? Their personality. (Agree with sibling posts, getting a great drummer is hard and amazing.)
I’m slow. Can somebody explain all the drummer jokes? What’s wrong with drummers?
Often the drum pattern that best fits into a song is simple/boring. Maybe stereotypically, it's hard for the drummer to resist "overdoing" the drums.
I think there's a metaphor that can be applied to software engineers.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#47Cool idea, but I'm not giving you my location. Please allow me to select a city manually.
I figured that "allow once, approximate location" would be sufficient for the privacy conscious. A little scared to make it selectable, as it would make it much easier for spammers/scammers to target locations, as the only verification is email. I do realize they can still change their location that with an emulator.
> A little scared to make it selectable, as it would make it much easier for spammers/scammers to target locations, as the only verification is email. I do realize they can still change their location that with an emulator.
So there's not really any hurdle at all for automated spammers who can fake their location easily, but you're making it more difficult for genuine users anyway?
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#48Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
Yeah, swiping is a dark pattern employed by dating apps. Even with millions of users, there's better ways to match people up than a simple swipe. It's to keep people at the mercy of an algorithm where spending money is the only way to get any sort of control over what you see. It exists only for shady monetisation.
Actually if you use the same interface for recommendation systems for content (say RSS feed items, videos, etc.) you get much better results than western content recommenders which don't get accurate negative samples. It finally hit me the reason I didn't understand a lot of the recommender literature is that it doesn't make sense and it's transformative to treat recommendation as a classification problem the way TikTok does. The real Dark Pattern is that YouTube and every other western app looks like
https://marvelpresentssalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/id...
where you can't conclude anything at all because a user didn't click on an item. (That and the scan-ignore-repeat UI paradigm that has kept RSS readers thoroughly out of the mainstream forever)
Even if you want to have a search-based UI it would still make sense to show you one match at a time and let you thumbs up and thumbs down and have the system remember your choices so you can come back next week and look at new items without the considerable cognitive burden of ignoring. But say “see something once, why see it again?” and people look at you like you’re a psycho killer. The whole advertising economy though is based fundamentally on spamming you with the same crap over and over and a ‘dislike’ button that works (negative sampling) would end it overnight, i guess there’s a reason why you can’t explain something to a person whose paycheck is based on not understanding it.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#49Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
Yeah, swiping is a dark pattern employed by dating apps. Even with millions of users, there's better ways to match people up than a simple swipe. It's to keep people at the mercy of an algorithm where spending money is the only way to get any sort of control over what you see. It exists only for shady monetisation.
I mean. Tinder is pretty awful in general. But the UI does have some merit. It’s exactly the idea of not filling out pages and pages of details about yourself that is great. And likewise, being able in principle to randomly find potential partners that you would not had you gone the route of manually tweaking a bunch of search parameters that your potential partner has to fit.
Swipe UI is not the problem. Tinder is separately awful independently of its UI.
Re: Show HN: BandMatch – “Tinder” but for finding musicians to create bands/collab
#50Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
wait, why isn't there a dating app that has this?