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Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by NikkiA » Fri, May 03, 2024, 5:17 PM UTC

Voultapher wrote: post #101

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Animal prison.

There is also the grim reality that most pets would run away and not come back if you were to open the "prison doors". Think of birds, reptiles, dogs etc. Our interaction with other life on this planet is very human centric, some call this human supremacism. A line is drawn between us and other animals, and the justification is quite arbitrary in my opinion. A line that is used to justify a vast number of atrocities…

Once had a cockatiel that escaped via a loose window, it flew around the neighbourhood for a few hours, then sat on a branch near the window waiting to be let back in.

Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, May 03, 2024, 5:20 PM UTC

Voultapher wrote: post #105

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My dogs that have escaped the yard go walkabout for a bit and then make their way home. My daughter's covid puppy has zero desire to be away from his human family- he's constantly looking for a human family member to hang out with and won't scamper away given the chance. Now a bird/snake generally will be gone given the chance- but they truly are wild animals, while dogs are bred to be co-dependent with humans.

Indeed dogs have been genetically modified over millennia to the point many wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild, whether you think that justifies our actions is up to you. In addition the chances they want to escape are smaller than for birds. I looked it up and found this source https://www.petlink.net/blog/chance-dogs-coming-back-run-awa... that says "The unfortunate reality is that 15% of dogs across the…

> many wouldn't even be able to survive in the wild, whether you think that justifies our actions is up to you

I wouldn’t be able to survive in the wild.

Some dog breeding is nonsense. But for the most part, we adapted to each other. If you look at the most efficient land predators, it’s humans, cats and dogs. (Dogs are also the only fellow persistence hunting mammals and, apart from some lizards, the only animals to practice it period [1].)

Our domestication of herbivores is exploitative. Our domestication of dogs and acceptance of cats is far closer to an alliance.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by grecy » Fri, May 03, 2024, 5:24 PM UTC

mehulashah wrote: post #97

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I was lucky enough to spend a bunch of time with Chimpanzees and Gorillas in Africa (mostly West Africa). I got to carry them, play with them and just chill with them in the jungle [1]. Staring into their eyes it is impossible to deny we are them and they are us. Their facial expressions, emotions, reactions, playfulness and also anger, jealousy and all the rest are incredible to be a part of. Often I was on the othe…

These are magnificent creatures. There is so much more left for us to learn about them and us. Phenomenal.

Out of interest, do you call other humans "creatures" ?

I find out use of wording interesting, and it helps justify putting them in cages and doing experiments on them.

Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by ljsprague » Fri, May 03, 2024, 5:47 PM UTC

balls187 wrote: post #73

Many years ago I stopped by a zoo in France, with my 7mo son. I was pushing him in the stroller while he was napping, and at the orangutan exhibit, one came up to the window and gestured towards the stroller. I turned the stroller to face the window, and removed the hood. The orangutan blew my son a kiss, waved then went back to the otherside of its enclosure. Made me rethink what I knew about animal intelligence.

Was it Nénette? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9nette

Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by forinti » Fri, May 03, 2024, 6:25 PM UTC

In the South of Brazil, Howler monkeys have been found to chew a plant and put it in wounds.

The plant was then analysed and it really has healing properties.

Re: Wild orangutan seen healing his wound with a plant

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Post by gwbas1c » Fri, May 03, 2024, 6:53 PM UTC

sevagh wrote: post #126

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This is a casual message board; there's no requirement to put that kind of effort into a post here. You can also do the legwork yourself.

>You can also do the legwork yourself. The person who makes the claim must justify it, not the readers.

This is not a scholarly journal. Get a life if you think casual conversation works that way.

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Post by barrenko » Fri, May 03, 2024, 7:02 PM UTC

abathur wrote: post #79

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I have this after eating a bare steak. I think there's something about eating a lot of something that does not contain carbs that immediately turns on craving for sugar.

I had to ponder this for a minute :) I picked up dark chocolate as a snack in early 2020, which I chose very specifically to avoid carbs. I also use cocoa powder to make low-carb ice cream for the same reason. I guess I've used it this way for long enough now that I've broken my default association between chocolate and sugar.

Damn, now I absolutely need dark chocolate.

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Post by lsaferite » Fri, May 03, 2024, 8:17 PM UTC

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Another one that I've been watching recently is chicks knowing to take dust baths with zero interaction with adult chickens. One reason for this behavior is apparently pest control.

I find it interesting when people attribute abstract intentions to this kind of behaviour. The chick's probably not thinking "man I gotta dust myself for mites", it probably just feels good to get dusty. Now, the reason it feels good is probably that dust baths are correlated with fewer parasites and better overall outcomes, but I doubt the chick knows that. Same thing with cats liking scritches under their chin. The…

Sure, correlation like that is possibly a bit specious.

On the topic of chicks and dust baths, it's quite interesting because as soon as they encounter dirt for the first time they all do the same things. If you've never seen it I recommend looking for a video. But it seems like a weird behavior to have in every chick I've hatched. TBH, I love seeing weird inherent behaviors emerge like that.

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Post by ahartman00 » Fri, May 03, 2024, 8:49 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #63

lsaferite wrote: post #30

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Another one that I've been watching recently is chicks knowing to take dust baths with zero interaction with adult chickens. One reason for this behavior is apparently pest control.

I find it interesting when people attribute abstract intentions to this kind of behaviour. The chick's probably not thinking "man I gotta dust myself for mites", it probably just feels good to get dusty. Now, the reason it feels good is probably that dust baths are correlated with fewer parasites and better overall outcomes, but I doubt the chick knows that. Same thing with cats liking scritches under their chin. The…

Cats can smell those scent markings though. They do also mark their territory in other ways. Our cats really do the rubbing thing during feeding, so i think they are trying to mark their territory, lol.

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Post by int_19h » Fri, May 03, 2024, 9:06 PM UTC

aitchnyu wrote: post #120

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Aren’t we faced with the same fundamental mystery of human insight? Where does it come from?

Some tribes have a drug with sophisticated preparation steps from multiple plants and they claim the plants spoke to them about their ability. Carrots were pencil thin woody roots, almonds were fatal, bananas were half rock hard seeds, rice was just another grass, wolves were skittish and bare their teeth at humans. How did ancient humans see potential in them?

I would imagine that a lot of wild plants that we regard as not particularly edible can look much more enticing when that's basically your only choice of food.

As far as wolves, it's still an open question as to how much they "self-domesticated" before humans noticed and started working from the other end. Seeing how human encampments would produce delicious food scraps in refuse (and still do, just ask any black bear!), it stands to reason that some animals would try to cash in on that opportunity. Then you have a selection process whereby the ones that are too skittish would not even bother, and the ones that are too aggressive would be chased away or worse.