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Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by fnfjfk »

derefr wrote: post #107
fouc wrote: post #63

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This. I use the function keys so rarely the whole row of keys except for the escape key could be taken out.

...which makes macOS-using developers' negative reactions to the 2016 MBP touch bar kind of odd/ironic, no? We all agree that nobody needs the F keys on a Mac... so why was it such a big problem when they got virtualized under the equivalent of a car infotainment display? (Yeah, the escape key was taken out as well at first, but then it was brought back, and people still were quite hateful toward the touch bar after…

People use the brightness, volume, and music keys, rather than the Fn-modified “F” versions.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by rfoo »

Arainach wrote: post #53
dyingkneepad wrote: post #21

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I have a keyboard that's "missing" essential keys, but I have a special key that I can press with my thumb that changes that every single key does (it's called a Layer). So I never need to move my wrist to press the arrow keys: just hold the thumb button and press hjkl. Page up is layer+t, page down is layer+g. And so on. It's great, my wrists thank me. I can even program a macro that will trigger an OS shortcut that…

I like keyboards with layers support, but layers aren't a replacement for sufficient keys. Holding down the layer button means another finger unavailable for hotkeys. For instance, on my keyboard (ZSA Moonlander) I have the function keys in an alternate layer. This isn't a problem for a normal press (layer shift + 2 => F2), but it makes pressing something like Ctrl+Shift+F2 rather painful. Yes, for such shortcuts tha…

You should try to use OSL instead of MO (or TT) as the layer key action: https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/docs/one_sho...

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by SkyMarshal »

mmh0000 wrote: post #4

I really do not like these compressed baby keyboards that are missing essential keys. My perfect keyboard would be something like a 150% with standard full layout but then adding in a bunch of programmable macro keys, I want more than F12! I want F1 through F36. Also a built in coffee grinder, water heater, and there should be a fan under the keys to keep my hands cool. Okay, ignore those last three.

I mostly don't mind them, except for the ones with shortened right-shift key. Those I have to contort my right pinky finger uncomfortably to use Shift, which I use much more frequently than the arrow keys (since I use Vim keybinds for literally everything possible).

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by jwells89 »

derefr wrote: post #107
fouc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I use the function keys so rarely the whole row of keys except for the escape key could be taken out.

...which makes macOS-using developers' negative reactions to the 2016 MBP touch bar kind of odd/ironic, no? We all agree that nobody needs the F keys on a Mac... so why was it such a big problem when they got virtualized under the equivalent of a car infotainment display? (Yeah, the escape key was taken out as well at first, but then it was brought back, and people still were quite hateful toward the touch bar after…

The biggest issues with the touch bar, from my perspective:

- It couldn’t be used without being looked at, due to it having no physical keys

- It was always kind of hacky, being essentially a long thin Apple Watch (down to running a watchOS variant) that would occasionally freeze up

I think it would’ve been better received had it been composed of Stream Deck-like display keys powered by macOS itself which would’ve brought much of the dynamicism of the touch bar while also keeping tactile feedback and eschewing bolted-on watchOS-variant bugginess.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by bluesquared »

dvdkon wrote: post #80
bluesquared wrote: post #20

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Wouldn't you want your head/eyes centered on the monitor, not the mouse being held by your arm that's off-center?

I don't understand your comment. Nobody's looking at their mouse (or their keyboard) when gaming.

The seating position and keyboard is centered on the screen, the mouse is off to the right. I've never seen anybody try to center their mouse on the screen- then you'd either be bending your arm inward/across your body or sitting left of center of the screen

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by rfoo »

derefr wrote: post #109
PurpleRamen wrote: post #55

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They are small and thus take less space on the desk, or in your bag (perfect for traveling and on-site-work). And not all keys are necessary for everyone. Numpad is a big part with little use for many people. And the newer generation of keyboards is often programmable, so you can remap them on very sophisticated levels on the keyboard itself. This reduces the demand for more keys even more. For example, on my keyboar…

> For example, on my keyboard I have no dedicated cursor-keys, but they are mapped to hjkl and wasd with a thumb-key. That sounds so bizarre to me, as so many keychords I use every minute of every day involve modifiers plus arrow keys.

Where do you put your thumb when you are using arrow keys? Maybe it's my small hands, but I can't use my right hand thumb to hit anything when I'm on arrow keys, and have to rely on using left hand to press modifiers.

So, I use a keyboard with split space bars, and map the right one to a layer switch key, when I want arrow keys I then hold the right side spacebar, and use ijkl (similar shape to arrow keys). Feels like exactly the same [1] as using arrow keys except I don't have to move my hand.

[1] Okay, 'I' is slightly off because row-staggered nonsense but honestly it just took me two days to get familiar to it.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by BossingAround »

derefr wrote: post #109
PurpleRamen wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are small and thus take less space on the desk, or in your bag (perfect for traveling and on-site-work). And not all keys are necessary for everyone. Numpad is a big part with little use for many people. And the newer generation of keyboards is often programmable, so you can remap them on very sophisticated levels on the keyboard itself. This reduces the demand for more keys even more. For example, on my keyboar…

> For example, on my keyboard I have no dedicated cursor-keys, but they are mapped to hjkl and wasd with a thumb-key. That sounds so bizarre to me, as so many keychords I use every minute of every day involve modifiers plus arrow keys.

I'd say the majority of office jobs won't really use arrow keys. Most people will rather use the mouse to move around, and engineers would use something closer to the center of the keyboard (like hjkl).

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by rssoconnor »

Arainach wrote: post #53
dyingkneepad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a keyboard that's "missing" essential keys, but I have a special key that I can press with my thumb that changes that every single key does (it's called a Layer). So I never need to move my wrist to press the arrow keys: just hold the thumb button and press hjkl. Page up is layer+t, page down is layer+g. And so on. It's great, my wrists thank me. I can even program a macro that will trigger an OS shortcut that…

I like keyboards with layers support, but layers aren't a replacement for sufficient keys. Holding down the layer button means another finger unavailable for hotkeys. For instance, on my keyboard (ZSA Moonlander) I have the function keys in an alternate layer. This isn't a problem for a normal press (layer shift + 2 => F2), but it makes pressing something like Ctrl+Shift+F2 rather painful. Yes, for such shortcuts tha…

I eventually went with home-row mods and a miryoku based layout. I've found home-row mods to be quite finicky with respect to timing, but I think overall they are better than not.

https://configure.zsa.io/moonlander/layouts/b7yOD/latest/0

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by kerhackernews »

mmh0000 wrote: post #4

I really do not like these compressed baby keyboards that are missing essential keys. My perfect keyboard would be something like a 150% with standard full layout but then adding in a bunch of programmable macro keys, I want more than F12! I want F1 through F36. Also a built in coffee grinder, water heater, and there should be a fan under the keys to keep my hands cool. Okay, ignore those last three.

The smaller keyboards are very popular for gaming because they are more ergonomic and free up more room on the desk.

However, if someone is in the market for a gaming keyboard right now, I would only recommend Wooting as at this point in time there is no HE keyboard with latency has low as Wooting.

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