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Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

weatherlite wrote: post #163

It's also absolutely amazing for mental health. It's a shame it isn't considered a first line of treatment for mental health because it's super effective (and free).

I deal with pretty severe depression and running is far more effective than antidepressants. It varies for everyone, but I know I’m not alone.

It’s tough because I’ve known this for 15 years or so, but when I’m in a hole it somehow seems like it’ll only make things worse. I understand why someone who hasn’t had the experience of feeling better from exercise would see the entire premise as unlikely or absurd.

Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by dailykoder »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #246
dailykoder wrote: post #195

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I dislike this black n white rhetoric from both sides. "Just do some workout" - "no this doesn't work for me". Yes, workout does help, but mental illness is still real. Both sides should try to be more sensitive and more understanding in my opinion. I can't fix my social anxiety through workout. But I sure can feel better about myself when doing it and then approach those anxieties with more confidence, but the anxie…

> my social anxiety I am considering trying some beta blockers. Did you try them? They seem like an interesting experiement.

Have you tried pineapple on your pizza? Seems like an interesting experiment

Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by kelseydh »

Aerroon wrote: post #129
s1artibartfast wrote: post #67

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Its not cardiovasuclar, but the top 2 causes of death in the US are tied to obesity, which takes zero time to reduce. You just have to not eat, which is actually time positive. Most humans are just incredibly bad at impulse control.

There was a relatively recent study that found that BMR has actually been dropping over the last 30 years. The difference in men was large enough (7% iirc) that it would explain most of the obesity epidemic. Why it's dropping is still a n mystery though. Nevertheless, the solution is still the same: eat less. The study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10445668/

I would like to see replications, as it could just be bad data:

"It is also possible that the long-term reduction in BMR represents methodological artefacts. In the early years, measurements of BMR were often made using mouthpieces to collect respiratory gases, and recently such devices have been shown to elevate BMR by around 6%. A second possibility is that early measurements paid less attention to controlling ambient temperature to ensure individuals were at thermoneutral temperatures."

Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by oldpersonintx »

fortyguy40 wrote: post #219
weatherlite wrote: post #163

It's also absolutely amazing for mental health. It's a shame it isn't considered a first line of treatment for mental health because it's super effective (and free).

I struggle with anxiety and have below average HRV and VO2max. I started jogging a month or so ago and have definitely seen an improvement in my mental health.

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Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by Aperocky »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #242
Aperocky wrote: post #47

Fortunately, this seems relatively simple to change (compared to other things with this magnitude of impact). It was a transformative experience to go from 40 VO2max to 57 (as reported by Apple Watch, and losing 30lbs on the way) over the past 12 months. The best part about it is that I didn't even have to give up anything - the extra energy I gained from 90-120 minutes of aerobics per day also had the effect of maki…

I love these kinds of posts. They are ridiculous. First: > Fortunately, this seems relatively simple to change Second: > the extra energy I gained from 90-120 minutes of aerobics per day Are you joking? You are asking average people to commit to 90-120 of c-v exercise per day? So, 7 days per week? This stuff is nonsense. Most people would quit after a week. I guess 99% of people could not sustain this for more than 3…

I still average more screen time on the phone..

The hard part is getting started. Once you start it's self-perpetuating.

Zone 2 endurance aerobic exercise are in some way similar to an addiction but you'll need a certain volume to trigger it.

It is a little braggy but I also consider this one of the best things I've did in my whole life - and I myself didn't remotely dreamed of this result when I started last year.

Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by hamandcheese »

Aperocky wrote: post #260
mvkel wrote: post #126

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You should know that vo2 measurements that aren't performed via gas exchange or blood measurement are a complete guess. The other thing is the denominator of vo2 is weight. So losing weight without working out at all will increase vo2

Yes. But at least the watch is comparing against a previous measurement, making the baseline consistent. It could have been named Vo5max and for me it'd have worked. In the real world, this number actually tracks pretty linearly with how much faster I'm able to climb a hill on a bike.

> In the real world, this number actually tracks pretty linearly with how much faster I'm able to climb a hill on a bike.

That's because both of those things are directly related to weight.

(VO2 max is usually given in a weight-normalized unit. So losing weight will make it go up as long as you at least maintain your fitness).

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Post by terhechte »

keybored wrote: post #266

Some of my peers are deep into running. I don’t get it. Running is sometimes fun for me but most often painful. Then I overheard one of them (the fittest) say to a budding runner that he [should] do mostly easy sessions. Okay what’s easy to him? He said that so slow that it can feel awkward and unnatural. What? Then I searched around and found out about Zone 2 and how you should do most of your work in that zone when…

I watch all streaming shows on a rowing machine with not-so-high speed and not-so-high resistance. The show keeps me entertained and sometimes I even forget that I'm rowing. Previously I did that with an iPad 12.9" next to the machine, but I've just started watching shows on the Quest 3 and that's way better.

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Post by portaouflop »

keybored wrote: post #266

Some of my peers are deep into running. I don’t get it. Running is sometimes fun for me but most often painful. Then I overheard one of them (the fittest) say to a budding runner that he [should] do mostly easy sessions. Okay what’s easy to him? He said that so slow that it can feel awkward and unnatural. What? Then I searched around and found out about Zone 2 and how you should do most of your work in that zone when…

All things need balance- don’t go too slow, don’t go too fast. If it feels right you know

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Post by imtringued »

kanbara wrote: post #107
AbbeSomething wrote: post #99

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This sounds ridiculous until you go to Amsterdam see that few wear helmets there. And everyone is cycling. They might be more inclined to cycle because they don’t need to wear a helmet. After years of cycling with helmet you get so used to it and it doesn’t bother you. But how many skip the bike because they never got used to wearing a helmet?

more like because it’s safe and there are penalties for injuring pedestrians and cyclists, and because the infrastructure is great. not riding a bike because a helmet is ??uncomfortable?? is ridiculous and probably self-selecting

Bicycle helmets are big. You can't just put them away in your bag when you're done with them. So you will have to carry the helmet alongside your bags etc.

Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

TillE wrote: post #204
snemvalts wrote: post #170

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Instead, people try to fix it with antidepressants, benzodiazepines or something else. It feels a bit like the US approach to pain management – instead of massages or physical therapy, some opioid pill is cheaper to prescribe.

Exercise (and sunlight!) are proven treatments for mild to moderate depression. It's probably not all you need, but it's a very good start. Exercise does nothing for severe depression.

My depression is severe and exercise does make a difference. I’m not sure why you’d think that.

It doesn’t make the bad thoughts go away. It doesn’t turn off the bad feelings. I’d still be diagnosed with severe depression if I went in with a fresh slate. What it does is give me the energy to endure it, though. The physiological symptoms subside quite a bit, and it makes a meaningful difference.

It also helps more than medication since I seem to be a non-responder. It’s a big help in my life.

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