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Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Re: Cardio fitness is a strong, consistent predictor of morbidity and mortality

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Post by WalterBright »

cycomanic wrote: post #135
s1artibartfast wrote: post #67

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Its not cardiovasuclar, but the top 2 causes of death in the US are tied to obesity, which takes zero time to reduce. You just have to not eat, which is actually time positive. Most humans are just incredibly bad at impulse control.

People here complain a lot about social media and the tuning for engagement which makes people addicted to their phones etc.. Well compared to the food industry industry that's nothing. Incidentally they learned their trade from the tobacco industry who invested heavily in the junk food industry in the 60s. [1] All to say, much of modern food (and the advertising around it) is designed to get people hooked on junk fo…

Fortunately, people have minds which can override their programming.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

EasyMark wrote: post #151
s1artibartfast wrote: post #96

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indeed, a lot has changed from when we lived on rural farms doing manual labor. People aren't going back to the farms, so we need to adopt new behaviors and norms around self control. There is simply no viable alternative.

I would suggest that in the next 5 years or so if ozempic and others don't turn out to be cancer causing or have more than awful side effects that we'll see a large drop in obesity, as obesity isn't an easy thing to change. Likely other competitors will come along and use a similar mechanism and Novo won't be able to charge $1000 a month for it any longer allowing 80-85% of those who are overweight to give it a shot.

I think it will be very interesting to see how it plays out and has a lot of positive potential.

I don't think it is very sustainable to have 50% of the population on a biologic medication to help self control, but hopefully it will help individuals and societies change norms.

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Post by [deleted] »

voisin wrote: post #161
nanidin wrote: post #54

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According to Apple[0] it is only after the specific activities of: Outdoor Walk, Outdoor Run, and Hiking. Which explains why my estimated VO2 max goes down significantly in the winter months when I'm mainly doing cardio indoors and only taking leisurely walks with the dog outdoors. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/108790#:~:text=Apple%20Watch... .

I wonder why they can’t track cardio indoors. Perhaps because the watch doesn’t link up to most / any treadmills and is generally totally inaccurate with respect to distance and speed?

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Post by jjtheblunt »

smileysteve wrote: post #106
m463 wrote: post #71

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reminds me of the bicycle helmet stuff. There was a ted talk that said bicycle helmet laws would kill more people than save. The reasoning was preventing people from riding would also prevent increased fitness, and more lives were lost from that than saved from accidents. EDIT: I think this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

There's real data out there that while a helmet has better survival rates than not; but cars give more room to bicycles without helmets, so the incident rate is lower.

Where’s that data?

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Post by lorenzk »

bdcravens wrote: post #158
m463 wrote: post #71

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reminds me of the bicycle helmet stuff. There was a ted talk that said bicycle helmet laws would kill more people than save. The reasoning was preventing people from riding would also prevent increased fitness, and more lives were lost from that than saved from accidents. EDIT: I think this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

Kind of tacky, but I had a strange "what if" kind of conversation with someone about alcohol. The premise was that more people are born due to drunken sexual encounters than are killed by drunk drivers.

But then alcohol kills or shortens life span in many more ways than drunk driving.

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Post by lovecg »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #41
lovecg wrote: post #11

There’s amusing statistics that show that if you’re out of shape and a smoker, you get a bigger bang for the buck from getting in shape first than quitting smoking. Disclaimer: not an endorsement of smoking.

That sounds like the sort of stuff you’d remember because it validates what you already want to believe

Absolutely true, I found it amusing because I came to strongly believe over the years that lack of physical activity is one of the worst things one can do for one’s overall wellbeing. We evolved to be physically active, sitting around all day can be compared to being malnourished or not getting enough sunlight or social contact, etc.

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Post by sahila »

uptownfunk wrote: post #178

Regardless of what it is, if I don’t get my morning run in, I am a very unpleasant person to be around! Running has changed my life in all ways- I am much more calm, tolerant, positive, energetic. If the whole country did a mandated morning run, assuming you’re able, I really think this world would be a much better place!! Start slow, 5 minutes, breathe, go slow, and enjoy the beautiful weather here this time of year…

Your comment just gave me a thought of how cool would it be if society had a mandated activity hour in the morning. I’m imagining loud speakers attached to poles outside making announcements and all businesses closed for that hour, and people all out and about exercising, walking, running, talking. Yes it’s a bit like school but society can be so much better if we prioritized good living!

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Post by fortyguy40 »

weatherlite wrote: post #163

It's also absolutely amazing for mental health. It's a shame it isn't considered a first line of treatment for mental health because it's super effective (and free).

I struggle with anxiety and have below average HRV and VO2max.

I started jogging a month or so ago and have definitely seen an improvement in my mental health.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

safety1st wrote: post #141
s1artibartfast wrote: post #96

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indeed, a lot has changed from when we lived on rural farms doing manual labor. People aren't going back to the farms, so we need to adopt new behaviors and norms around self control. There is simply no viable alternative.

To frame the discussion as one of either/or alternatives is self-defeating, a more productive framing is what are the various strategies we can employ to reduce obesity? There are plenty which are unrelated to self-control or personal discipline. One is a sugar tax (not a huge fan personally but it exists). One I do like is to regulate the advertising and labeling of food. Frankly I'd like to know how many calories I…

I'm for calorie labeling, but view it simply as a tool and aid for those who choose and try to self regulate.

There is no amount of labeling that will make a different if there isn't a human expressing agency to read the label and take action.

I think there are tons of helpful strategies, but the critical infrastructure t Needed is more self actualized agency.

This isn't an insult or dismissal, but a hope we can all become better humans.

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