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Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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Interesting. Gets you wondering what else you might not have heard of.

Go easy, they’re one of today’s lucky 10,000

really depends how you read GP's comment. the tone is implied, or is it? read charitibly, y'know, sometimes I do wonder about the things I don't know. I have no idea beyond the surface about how my liver actually works, I don't know what it's like to give birth to a child, I don't know what it's like to go through chemotherapy or how that even actually works. The world is full of stuff I don't know and sometimes I stop a wonder about what I don't know that I don't know.

Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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If there are hundreds of thousands of plant varieties in that massive seed bank in Svalbard, and only 150 plants are cultivated for consumption today, how the heck is eating a more diverse range of plants supposed to replace seed banks? Is it that everyone on earth is going to eat 1000x more plants than we do now, or is it that there will be 1000x more farms, each making 1/1000th as much money? I know the author is n…

My idea can't be wrong, it's the world that must change. That about summarizes these types of articles. Solutions that do not require the world to change its behavior should be favored. Perhaps we could launch seed containers into low orbits such that they automatically and safely return to earth centuries in the future just in case.

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Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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What's with the 5-digit year format? Premature prep for y10k?

That’s longnow’s whole deal. Getting people to think about the future far beyond a human lifespan.

It is such a simple thing but it works so well.

Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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Home gardeners seem like a pretty good option here. For more regular vegetables, this is already a thing that exists with seed libraries and exchanges, and programs that preserve heirloom varietals and sell the seeds to gardeners. Buying these seeds is basically just a way to help pay for the continued cultivation by the breeder (unfortunately, unless you really know what you are doing and are quite careful, preservi…

I can't see it's possible to grow a useful amount of wheat for a single family without a decent sized plot and a large amount of labour. Most modern varieties rely on a lot of fertiliser as well. Wheat is more or less useless for the home gardener and has been for 200 years.

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> are a dead-end genetically Is this on purpose or a technical limitation? Can we create a new plant that (1) tastes good (2) is not a genetic dead end (3) is easily spread to other farms by squirrels and birds (4) low maintainence, and put an end to this DRM? I mean it would be kind of nice if there existed a forest full of food that nobody had to maintain. > they are paying to support the continued cultivation of t…

> The plants are living beings, if they are allowed to behave like living beings without being crippled, perhaps the varieties will continue to exist naturally without said support. Alas, there are too many humans for that. So, either you support the plants, or one of us has to give - plants or humans. Humans aren't known for giving in, which means slim odds for unsupported plants.

Yeah, this tendency of ours (and life in general- look how invasive species can flourish without much predation) to take what we can has gotten us in trouble now that we have so many resources available to us. Unpopular and I'm not sure how unethical, and likely dead on arrival in congress, but rrgulating the extraction of resources, including and especially petroleum, is one way. Needs to go hand in hand with culture shift to be effective, though; enough of us have to realize the harm we're doing and opt for a better (as in, more respectful of the future of diverse life on earth) way to live.

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I'd be more worried about how polluted it is

You are not going to believe what they use to harvest and deliver wheat

I think it's a bit of a different comparison given that there's probably some accumulation of lead from decades of leaded gasoline from urban traffic.

Obviously still worth doing but it'd be interesting to see whether remediation of some kind would be worth while.

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I did a small patch of wheat and barley. I also malted it to make my own beer. I just used a box fan for winnowing. I built a 5 gallon bucket thresher to use with a drill. Worked really well. I'm doing winter wheat this year for bread.

I'd be interested to hear about the bucket thresher. Most of the DIY options I found when I was looking where larger with custom flail mechanisms and bike-chain drives etc. Honestly, building the thresher itself seemed like kind of a cool project on it's own, but it was just more effort than I was willing to put in. But a 5 gallon bucket option that runs of a drill sounds much more my speed. How much did you process?…

I did about 3 pounds at once, but could have done more. Maybe 5 pounds. It goes fast, so you can do multiple smaller batches more quickly than the bigger batch.

I made a round out of plywood to put in the bottom of the bucket, drilled a hole in the center, and put a steel pipe end cap in it. I put a ball bearing in the end cap. Then a threaded rod up through the top resting on the bearing. I cut a round of plywood for the top of the bucket, chamfered to fit snugly. I drilled a hole in the center of that and put a pillow block on it to fit the threaded rod. On the bottom of the rod I put two pieces of flat stock about 1/2 from the bottom and about one inch above that one, just held on with nuts. That's pretty much it. There are lots of YouTube of variations on that design. Runs with a corded drill. Cordless might work for very small batches.

Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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yup this is the same conclusion people come to when they talk about long term data storage.

the only thing that actually stores data is people, and the only reason they store it is because they care about it and still use it, but also they must live in an environment, social, physical, and governmental, that enables them and allows them to care.

Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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How far are we from just saving the genetic code digitally and then synthesizing the seeds by arranging a sequence of amino acids to instantiate viable nucleotides? Is this still science fiction?

seems like we should use the levers we have rather than hope for a moon shoot

Re: Gene banks aren’t enough to save the world’s food

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This is something we as a society can easily fix.

“farmers have come to rely on a few varieties of olive…these trees, some of them over 2,000 years old, are succumbing to a bacterium, imported on ornamental coffee plants“

The global transport of random pants just to be pretty in our gardens is a major factor in the spread of infectious diseases and invasive species. We (EU) need to legislate to stop garden centers encouraging people to plant infected/invasive species in our gardens which then spreads to our important food crops. Especially as there’s an abundance of native species that will not only brighten your garden but also support our ecosystem?

This is an issue that the colonies of Europe dealt with 100’s of years ago as European settlers brought seeds and livestock to the Americans and Australia which got a foot hold in the new world and still to this day cause havoc.

It’s speculated that invasive plant species flourished Australia and the Americas because of the initial advantage of seed arriving on the hoofs of livestock. It took much longer and even to this day less voracious, for species of the New World to invade Europe.

An interesting cavet of human interference is the introduction of the Cane Toad to Australia in the 1930’s to combat an accidentally introduced beatle which was decimating the sugar cane harvest. It was only realised after the toad’s introduction that the beetle spent most of its life up high on the sugar cane while the toad living its life on the ground couldn’t reach it.

The toad to this day causes havoc to the native species of Australia and has spread rapidly with no natural predators.

Most interesting of all there is relatively recent evidence of Australias native fire ants adapting their behaviour and as a social species carry an entire toad back to their nest and consume it!

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