Skateboarding on the moon is going to /killllll/.
Swimming would be a pretty interesting experience as well. You probably could even walk on water.
Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements
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Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements
#122Is there a reason something like a water rower wouldn’t work on the moon? Possibly with a weighted vest or a weighted seat. Rowing is pretty full body and doesn’t seem that reliant on gravity.
I'm always baffled that these studies don't put more emphasis on resistance training, since the main issue is that your body no longer has to resist the forces of gravity on a day-to-day basis. In theory exercises like the major compound lifts should go a long way because they stimulate almost every muscle in the body. You get a lot of sustained muscle growth out of doing big lifts even just 2-3 times of week. Of cou…
Resistance training is, of course, 100% what astronauts already do on the ISS; how to optimally exercise in zero gee (and cramped conditions) has been extensively studies for half a century now. So it’s kind of understandable if some one wants to study a mode of exercise that works on the Moon and is not resistance-based.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm always baffled that these studies don't put more emphasis on resistance training, since the main issue is that your body no longer has to resist the forces of gravity on a day-to-day basis. In theory exercises like the major compound lifts should go a long way because they stimulate almost every muscle in the body. You get a lot of sustained muscle growth out of doing big lifts even just 2-3 times of week. Of cou…
NASA has IRED for resistence training on ISS. IIRC regiment was ~1xBW squats/deadlift for 3x10s in space every few days. Upper body was even more "normie" strength requirements. I think the routine included many hours of resistence training in general with very conservative weights to maintain mass and avoid injury at all costs.
I have read about IRED but never heard the particulars of their training regime before. Dunno about that workout plan, it is a workout which would not induce hypertrophy on earth, so I wouldn't expect it to do much in zero g. Hopefully they don't give up on the idea just because they were doing weak lifts
Really though when they get to the moon I just want to see them bring a barbell and two big buckets which they fill up with moon rocks. In general free weights are better for hitting a variety of muscles at once vs machines being better for isolation exercises, if you're trying to prevent muscle wastage across your entire body, a barbell may very well be superior!
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
But one leg will still be running a shorter distance then the other.
Person running would need to constantly turn a bit to one side to not climb further up the wall. So it shouldn't be much different from running in circles on flat surface. Not sure if runners that train by running in small circles are concerned about evenness and try to run the same amount clockwise and counter clockwise to even things out.
Ex collegiate track and XC athlete, yes, we'd alternate directions once in a while when doing long workouts on the track. It's a 36.5m radius, and it does get to you eventually. You feel it in your knees long before your ankles. I ran distance events (1500, 3200, 5k), so I think I had it easier than the 200m and 400m guys (and especially the 400m/300m hurdle guys) whose spikes were desperately clawing at the track to hold the turn, but I did have some workouts with a lot of laps. We didn't bother to make it exactly even, but if we were doing ladder workouts we'd switch directions somewhere near the middle.
Indoor meets often had 200m tracks with tighter (frequently nonstandard!) radii. The good ones were banked, though it never seemed to be at the right angle, always too steep or too shallow.
Every race still goes counterclockwise, though.
Maybe it's my XC side talking, but I'd love to see a track in a figure 8 with an underpass. Left turn, over the bridge, right turn , under the bridge, and repeat! It would break up those monotonous 8 and 12 lap races nicely, and you could fit a longer track in a shorter rectangular building by using the hypotenuse. I'm sure people would hate the hilly incline, though...
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
NASA has IRED for resistence training on ISS. IIRC regiment was ~1xBW squats/deadlift for 3x10s in space every few days. Upper body was even more "normie" strength requirements. I think the routine included many hours of resistence training in general with very conservative weights to maintain mass and avoid injury at all costs.
>>~1xBW squats/deadlift for 3x10s For super-fit astronauts, that's pathetic.
Dunno why this is being downvoted because it's correct. In their 20's most people can be at this level by their second session in the gym
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
NASA has IRED for resistence training on ISS. IIRC regiment was ~1xBW squats/deadlift for 3x10s in space every few days. Upper body was even more "normie" strength requirements. I think the routine included many hours of resistence training in general with very conservative weights to maintain mass and avoid injury at all costs.
I have read about IRED but never heard the particulars of their training regime before. Dunno about that workout plan, it is a workout which would not induce hypertrophy on earth, so I wouldn't expect it to do much in zero g. Hopefully they don't give up on the idea just because they were doing weak lifts Really though when they get to the moon I just want to see them bring a barbell and two big buckets which they fi…
I looked list of artificial objects to lift on the moon.
Lunar Roving Vehicle curb is only 76lb/34kg. That's would be a fun OHP set.
The Descent Stage of Lunar Landing Module is 358kg/789lb. Probably strong man car squat with one of the legs for reps.
Many landed probes/landers between the 1-5 plate territory territory.
>if you're trying to prevent muscle wastage
I actually like all the new light weight resistence cable machines that perfroms like IRED released in the last few years. But a 24 ft barbell with 10 ft of mooncrete bumper plates on each side to replicate a 5plate pull would be neat.
I think the NASA goal is to build up muscle base on earth and do least impact/injury risk routine to preserve muscle mass and bone density. I'm assuming it's not bro science, and they have injury table for astronauts who are genpop fit but not lifter strong, and optimizing for that. I wonder what their policy on steriods is.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Person running would need to constantly turn a bit to one side to not climb further up the wall. So it shouldn't be much different from running in circles on flat surface. Not sure if runners that train by running in small circles are concerned about evenness and try to run the same amount clockwise and counter clockwise to even things out.
Ex collegiate track and XC athlete, yes, we'd alternate directions once in a while when doing long workouts on the track. It's a 36.5m radius, and it does get to you eventually. You feel it in your knees long before your ankles. I ran distance events (1500, 3200, 5k), so I think I had it easier than the 200m and 400m guys (and especially the 400m/300m hurdle guys) whose spikes were desperately clawing at the track to…
That would be extremely interesting, but the fact that you have an incline would change the ideal body type and tactics so much it would be a different sport at that point.
But I would love to see it for medium distances, just to see what crazy stuff would happen!
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#128One question I have that I didn't see addressed in the article: how does the inner ear work in low gravity? I wonder if this might make astronauts unusually dizzy on the moon because of differences in the vestibular system.
This article seems like a good survey of the general impact low-g has on the inner ear changes, but I've barely skimmed it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8595211/
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the Moon, at normal pressure, humans shoud be able to get enough exercise in a jungle gym, or by donning a set of wings, flapping them to fly.
Given that there is some gravity, putting on a weighted suit to increase their mass would also make sense, although it'd be unwieldy if it's not distributed exactly the same. Plus, getting weight into space is expensive... although probably not as expensive as building a wall of death or spin gravity structure.
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The ankle flex when the right foot lands makes me wince every single time. I wonder how much that's to do with the direction of gravity, the angle of their body looking not quite horizontal (and therefore 'weirding' the angle that feet hit the ground), and how much is to do with the individual's physiology.
In actual lunar gravity the forces should balance out. At a particular speed, tied to the wall angle, the forces should align with the floor to let the foot land as if running on a horizontal surface. Imaging a motorcycle in a turn. Then tilt the road to match the bike's lean angle. The tire/foot then falls flat against the road.
due to the angles, it would be like running in a circle on earth. It is mostly a question of what the equivalent earth track diameter is. It can be quite painful and damaging to run in small circles.