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Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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It takes a few clicks to get to the supplemental data movie: https://rs.figshare.com/articles/media/a_participant_running... You'd probably want to switch directions often!

The ankle flex when the right foot lands makes me wince every single time. I wonder how much that's to do with the direction of gravity, the angle of their body looking not quite horizontal (and therefore 'weirding' the angle that feet hit the ground), and how much is to do with the individual's physiology.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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The book "Imperial Earth" by Arthur Clark featured a circular cycle track on a low-gravity spaceship. The main protagonist was trying to train for earth gravity so he cycled around it very fast until he felt 1G

There was a zero G running track in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

#83

I didn't see any mention of having a spinning surface. A tapered cylinder "gravity gym" with adjustable angled walls, and variable speed spinning, could smoothly create much greater "gravity". Spin gravity would also enable body weight exercises, core exercises, stationary or small area cardio like exercise bikes, VR games, yoga, etc. Even sleeping. EDIT: I missed this: > but Moon-based centrifuges allowing locomotio…

Wild idea: build one on earth to simulate 1.1G (or higher; whatever would still be comfortable) and put gyms, hotels, swimming pool, living quarters, etc. in it. Being in it for extended periods of time would build up muscles and bones. That would likely be something that fitness people and professional athletes would be interested in. And it's a good dry run for building and operating these things on Mars and the Mo…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_train

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

#84

It takes a few clicks to get to the supplemental data movie: https://rs.figshare.com/articles/media/a_participant_running... You'd probably want to switch directions often!

The ankle flex when the right foot lands makes me wince every single time. I wonder how much that's to do with the direction of gravity, the angle of their body looking not quite horizontal (and therefore 'weirding' the angle that feet hit the ground), and how much is to do with the individual's physiology.

You could build it with a slight angle. Or gradually steeper like a high speed race track.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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post #77

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Wild idea: build one on earth to simulate 1.1G (or higher; whatever would still be comfortable) and put gyms, hotels, swimming pool, living quarters, etc. in it. Being in it for extended periods of time would build up muscles and bones. That would likely be something that fitness people and professional athletes would be interested in. And it's a good dry run for building and operating these things on Mars and the Mo…

Why did nobody do this yet? It would totally be a great prototype for stuff in orbit.

Closest thing I can think of is rotating houses / restaurants, but they go very slowly.

It would have to be big enough to avoid people getting dizzy, and even then it would still be a factor I think. That said, size/scale is less of a concern on the moon I would argue.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

#86

I didn't see any mention of having a spinning surface. A tapered cylinder "gravity gym" with adjustable angled walls, and variable speed spinning, could smoothly create much greater "gravity". Spin gravity would also enable body weight exercises, core exercises, stationary or small area cardio like exercise bikes, VR games, yoga, etc. Even sleeping. EDIT: I missed this: > but Moon-based centrifuges allowing locomotio…

On the Moon, at normal pressure, humans shoud be able to get enough exercise in a jungle gym, or by donning a set of wings, flapping them to fly.

Given that there is some gravity, putting on a weighted suit to increase their mass would also make sense, although it'd be unwieldy if it's not distributed exactly the same. Plus, getting weight into space is expensive... although probably not as expensive as building a wall of death or spin gravity structure.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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post #77

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Wild idea: build one on earth to simulate 1.1G (or higher; whatever would still be comfortable) and put gyms, hotels, swimming pool, living quarters, etc. in it. Being in it for extended periods of time would build up muscles and bones. That would likely be something that fitness people and professional athletes would be interested in. And it's a good dry run for building and operating these things on Mars and the Mo…

Why did nobody do this yet? It would totally be a great prototype for stuff in orbit.

All parts would be spinning at the same angular velocity, so unless it's really far away from its centre of rotation (expensive, inconvenient) you'd experience more acceleration near the centre than at the edges.

Maybe that doesn't matter.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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That’s the plan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program

It's very expensive. The plan needs serious improving.

Looks cheaper than the Apollo program when adjusted for inflation (Apollo was $257 billion in 2023 dollars)

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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Why? The bungee cord is only needed for earth gravity.

It's not a symmetric exercise, look at the feet. You'd probably want to keep the overall workout balanced by alternating periodically?

It's because walls are a bit too steep. If you made them into paraboloid, a per would naturally climb as high as they need to, to be able to run symmetrically.

Re: Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements

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post #77

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Why did nobody do this yet? It would totally be a great prototype for stuff in orbit.

Closest thing I can think of is rotating houses / restaurants, but they go very slowly. It would have to be big enough to avoid people getting dizzy, and even then it would still be a factor I think. That said, size/scale is less of a concern on the moon I would argue.

You inspired me to look up if there were many still going and I was saddened to discover there are no longer any operational ones left in the UK.
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