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Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

dcist wrote: post #2

Windows 11 is awful. It ruined the calendar view on the taskbar, which is a huge pet peeve for me.

I built my first gaming pc in 20 years about a month ago. Before, I had been mainly using linux as my os of choice. Windows is so very. painful. in comparison. Windows apparently replaced CMD with the janky powershell instead of adopting literally any popular unix shell. There's advertising and web results scattered all over the OS. Windows still doesn't have a cohesive apt-get type update functionality even though debian and other distros have had that since the mid 90s (a program such as MSI aferburner could simply register a repo url like how linux distros use PPAs, etc). Window's networking is janky, and it's firewall is pretty bad.

Honestly, the only reason I'm using windows is because I want a flawless gaming / vr experience on my $2500 gaming / ai machine. If not for that, or if I was ok with a little jank from proton, I'd go back to linux in a heartbeat. Windows is a penalty box in every other domain except for gaming. WSL only makes it livable.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by albertopv »

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

It's not fine. File explorer context menu, taskbar, it was a half baked OS when first released. It improved, but they shouldn't have release it as it was. Taskbar is still a mess, sometimes I have to reboot to get it working again. And still I can't move on the side.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by sublinear »

djaychela wrote: post #28

Does anyone who works on Windows read HN? I'm just wondering as I nearly only see negative comments about it (particularly about the user-hostile features such as advertising and so on), and I wonder how anyone who works on this thinks that it's a good idea. It would kinda be OK if it was free... but it's not - it's expensive, IMO. I've had to buy Windows 11 for the last two PCs I built for friends, and Pro was £140.…

The people working on Windows are unlikely to be the people making any business decisions.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out a good chunk of the product negativity is from Windows devs themselves!

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by oersted »

quchen wrote: post #7

I’m wondering, what keeps Windows afloat? I’ve become a Windows person in my childhood, and stayed one because games, Photoshop and 3DS Max ran on it. I’ve long switched to Linux (and dual-boot to a very much unloved Win10 for games that don’t run on Linux these days), and I’m baffled that ads occurring in the start menu are a thing – I was similarly shocked when Ubuntu tried this, and will always be cautious around…

Gaming mostly, and inertia. But I feel like the choice of OS is a much smaller factor than it used to be. I have a Windows desktop and a MacOS laptop now, but I've used a Linux (Debian Gnome) laptop for many years and I used to have dual boot on my desktop.

Everything runs on everything now mostly, and the rest are web apps.

Chrome, VSCode, Obsidian, Spotify, Steam, Slack, Discord, Docker, Python, Rust, JavaScript (Node), decent terminal (Bash, Fish, Powershell)... That's pretty much all I need, there's almost no difference between OSs on all these nowadays, most data is synced, and I can switch between them seamlessly throughout the day.

The UX is also very similar between all modern OSs, actually Windows 10 is now quite clean and snappy, I might slightly prefer it to MacOS and Gnome.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by andix »

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

Maybe unexpected: I agree

One of the biggest improvement for me was improved multi monitor and multi-DPI/PPI support. Being able to just put two different monitors next to each other and moving windows between them works. They just adopt their rendering on the fly to the screens DPI setting and it works with most current software.

One of the biggest issues that block me from moving to Linux, I run my displays with 125% and 150% fractional scaling. That just doesn't work like that on Linux, fractional scaling comes with many drawbacks.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by Xeamek »

djaychela wrote: post #28

Does anyone who works on Windows read HN? I'm just wondering as I nearly only see negative comments about it (particularly about the user-hostile features such as advertising and so on), and I wonder how anyone who works on this thinks that it's a good idea. It would kinda be OK if it was free... but it's not - it's expensive, IMO. I've had to buy Windows 11 for the last two PCs I built for friends, and Pro was £140.…

140$ sounds like price for perpetual license that binds to your Microsoft account and can be transfered from pc to pc.

But you can buy legit oem licenses that cost something like 40$. You simply won't be able to move it to new pc, but usually it doesn't matter much.

People avoid them cause "surely if they are thus cheap they must be scam", but it's not. They simply have restriction of permanently binding to single hardware. But again, usually it's worth it anyway

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by alok-g »

djaychela wrote: post #28

Does anyone who works on Windows read HN? I'm just wondering as I nearly only see negative comments about it (particularly about the user-hostile features such as advertising and so on), and I wonder how anyone who works on this thinks that it's a good idea. It would kinda be OK if it was free... but it's not - it's expensive, IMO. I've had to buy Windows 11 for the last two PCs I built for friends, and Pro was £140.…

>> Does anyone who works on Windows read HN?

I do.

However, {#include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39950708}

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by geraldcombs »

grishka wrote: post #42
brokencode wrote: post #13

Microsoft likes to alternate between good and bad releases of Windows. XP was good, Vista was bad. 7 was good, 8 was bad. 10 was good, and 11 is kind of bad. Not as bad as Vista or 8, but still noticeably worse than 10. Here’s hoping that 12 will be an OS with upgrading to.

They broke that streak at the turn of the century. 95 was bad, 98 was good, 2000 was good, XP was good, and then Vista was bad.

Apparently ME was so bad it's been memory-holed.
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