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Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by bilsbie »

pie420 wrote: post #96
bilsbie wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say we let adults make their own decisions on how much they want to drive.

Let’s not control others. If people want to use lead paint, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to use leaded gasoline, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to build with asbestos, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to cook with trans fats, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to do fentanyl, let them. the entire basis of society and progress is controlling o…

The world would be a sad place when we we need to apply for a permit to visit family. That’s where all this ends up.

Good intentions and all that.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Spooky23 wrote: post #71
crazygringo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people simply can't work from home due to lack of space, noise and interruptions, etc. It's a lot easier to buy a cheap used car than uproot your entire living situation to a new home where you can WFH, which you also might not be able to afford. Not to mention you probably already own your car for other things like getting groceries.

There are lots of ways to adapt to that. For example, you can have localized telework centers or subsidize co-working spaces. The current situation is far worse. People are literally trapped in a cycle of poverty or bad work experience because they cannot get to a suburban office park for want of a car. WFH has lots of limitations. Distribute work geographically and you can lower costs and improve outcomes. Why have…

> subsidize co-working spaces

These are called offices.

Look, I WFH and I love it. But in the process I probably quintupled my emissions. I might be able to get that down to quadrupling with an EV and full solar array. But the realities of suburban/rural living are simply much harsher on the environment.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by pfdietz »

LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

Indeed, we need personal aircars!

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by michael9423 »

LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

"we need to prioritize driving less."

I doubt the majority of the world population wants to be included in your "we".

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by 2024throwaway »

bilsbie wrote: post #101
pie420 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s not control others. If people want to use lead paint, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to use leaded gasoline, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to build with asbestos, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to cook with trans fats, let them. Let’s not control others. If people want to do fentanyl, let them. the entire basis of society and progress is controlling o…

The world would be a sad place when we we need to apply for a permit to visit family. That’s where all this ends up. Good intentions and all that.

That is one hell of a leap. That slope must be very slippery indeed.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by [deleted] »

LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

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Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by p_j_w »

bilsbie wrote: post #91
LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

I say we let adults make their own decisions on how much they want to drive.

As long as they're willing to pay the actual costs borne by the rest of us for their decisions, sure, why not? The problem is they're generally not, and when you suggest that they need to, they have a very not adult-like temper tantrum.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by faeriechangling »

dragontamer wrote: post #83
liminal wrote: post #36

I'd like to see a weight tax on vehicles. Lighter vehicles have less tire wear, so less pollution. They also require less energy to move, so less emissions. Plus lighter vehicles would improve pedestrian safety.

My local state is adding weight to our vehicle registration fees, but only slightly (ex: capping out at 5000lbs). There are vehicles as high as 8000+lbs commonly used, and I think those should have higher tax than the 5000lb class vehicles.

Having a cap makes absolutely no sense except politically. There’s not a diminishing impact here whatsoever.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by chongli »

capitainenemo wrote: post #56
liminal wrote: post #36

I'd like to see a weight tax on vehicles. Lighter vehicles have less tire wear, so less pollution. They also require less energy to move, so less emissions. Plus lighter vehicles would improve pedestrian safety.

Interesting idea. Apparently road damage goes up with the 4th power of the weight ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law ) Really trucks are probably not paying their fair share in that regard. I wonder how it would be implemented in practice given how variable vehicle weights are depending on how they are being used. Weigh stations like they use for trucks? It might also be a solution for gas taxes being i…

Yes and so what makes the most sense is to make the tax increase with the 4th power of vehicle weight multiplied by the miles they travel. This way there are no perverse incentives. Everyone pays their fair share according to how much damage they cause.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by ravenstine »

moomoo3000 wrote: post #29

Could increased street sweeping help?

If performed correctly, maybe. I'm not convinced that street sweeping in most cities much but a low-level scam so the city can cash in on parking violations. In LA, I've seen street sweepers my whole life going around and mostly kicking around dry material and moving so fast that they barely pick up anything, often followed by a parking enforcer some kind of golf cart type vehicle. Street sweeping makes more sense when the debris is big and wet enough to be swept up, which may not be the case for most tire debris. If it's tire particulate, street sweeping might make things worse by making it more airborne.
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